Computers are now superior to humans in turn-based strategy games(chess, backgammon, go, checkers...).
It's time for real-time strategy games(Red Alert, Football, Basketball, Cossacks...). Computers will soon take over the dominance in this area as well.
Computers are now superior to humans in turn-based strategy games
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Re: Computers are now superior to humans in turn-based strategy games
I thought they already had?Emre_1974tr wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 12:49 pm Computers are now superior to humans in turn-based strategy games(chess, backgammon, go, checkers...).
It's time for real-time strategy games(Red Alert, Football, Basketball, Cossacks...). Computers will soon take over the dominance in this area as well.
e.g. https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/30/209 ... Craft%20II.
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Re: Computers are now superior to humans in turn-based strategy games
Yes, but they are not World champions at Real Time Strategy games yet...
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Re: Computers are now superior to humans in turn-based strategy games
Correction: they are superior to humans in two-player competitive turn-based strategy games. Verdict is still unclear for multiplayer turn-based strategy games and cooperative turn-based strategy games.
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Re: Computers are now superior to humans in turn-based strategy games
Are they superior in all two player competitive turn based strategy games or there are turn based strategy games when humans are still superior?Emre_1974tr wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 12:49 pm Computers are now superior to humans in turn-based strategy games(chess, backgammon, go, checkers...).
It's time for real-time strategy games(Red Alert, Football, Basketball, Cossacks...). Computers will soon take over the dominance in this area as well.
Are computers stronger than humans in the following game?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_on_ ... _big_board
Can humans define a turn based game when humans will be stronger than machines in the next 5 years or maybe machines are already strong enough so it is impossible to do it even if the programmer get some high prize of a million dollar to beat or draw the best human in the relevant game in the next 5 years?
I say beat or draw because it is easy to get a draw against the machine by defining a simple game.
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Re: Computers are now superior to humans in turn-based strategy games
Just to point it out: this experiment has actually been done like 20 years ago already.
Uri became a top ICCF player by making like one or two moves by his own decision in a whole tournament. He did great reports on his thinking procedure back then, it was still an intellectual challenge back then - it is not like anyone could have done it.
I only played a single serious correspondence chess game in my life, at a similar time, I was not impressed:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1608803
Uri became a top ICCF player by making like one or two moves by his own decision in a whole tournament. He did great reports on his thinking procedure back then, it was still an intellectual challenge back then - it is not like anyone could have done it.
I only played a single serious correspondence chess game in my life, at a similar time, I was not impressed:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1608803
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Re: Computers are now superior to humans in turn-based strategy games
grr - I accidently posted this in the wrong thread - this should have been in the correspondence thread, any moderator can help?Peter Berger wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:32 pm Just to point it out: this experiment has actually been done like 20 years ago already.
Uri became a top ICCF player by making like one or two moves by his own decision in a whole tournament. He did great reports on his thinking procedure back then, it was still an intellectual challenge back then - it is not like anyone could have done it.
I only played a single serious correspondence chess game in my life, at a similar time, I was not impressed:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1608803
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Re: Computers are now superior to humans in turn-based strategy games
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:17 pmAre computers stronger than humans in the following game?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_on_ ... _big_board
Probably not, but mainly because not much effort has gone into writing programs to play this game.
Although the article doesn't mention computers, in the past, a strong human player could win a game in which the game tree grew too quickly, but now Alpha Go has shown that this limitation can be overcome (Go being a game in which humans held out because the game tree grew too quickly for computers).
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Re: Computers are now superior to humans in turn-based strategy games
For SCII the only way they could make humans competitive was to cap APM, so that the machine didn't micro-manage you to death.MartinBryant wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 2:10 pmI thought they already had?Emre_1974tr wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 12:49 pm Computers are now superior to humans in turn-based strategy games(chess, backgammon, go, checkers...).
It's time for real-time strategy games(Red Alert, Football, Basketball, Cossacks...). Computers will soon take over the dominance in this area as well.
e.g. https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/30/209 ... Craft%20II.
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Re: Computers are now superior to humans in turn-based strategy games
SeductionUri Blass wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:17 pmAre they superior in all two player competitive turn based strategy games or there are turn based strategy games when humans are still superior?Emre_1974tr wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 12:49 pm Computers are now superior to humans in turn-based strategy games(chess, backgammon, go, checkers...).
It's time for real-time strategy games(Red Alert, Football, Basketball, Cossacks...). Computers will soon take over the dominance in this area as well.
Are computers stronger than humans in the following game?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_on_ ... _big_board
Can humans define a turn based game when humans will be stronger than machines in the next 5 years or maybe machines are already strong enough so it is impossible to do it even if the programmer get some high prize of a million dollar to beat or draw the best human in the relevant game in the next 5 years?
I say beat or draw because it is easy to get a draw against the machine by defining a simple game.