Can any engine solve this puzzle, White to move and Win?

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Can any engine solve this puzzle, White to move and Win?

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[d]1q2B3/N7/8/8/8/3k4/5R2/2K1B2n w - - 1 1
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Re: Can any engine solve this puzzle, White to move and Win?

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How about you tell us?

Or rather, why should we care?

Or rather, why are your questions other people's responsibility?
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Re: Can any engine solve this puzzle, White to move and Win?

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The problem with "ignore user" in here is terrible.
In many forums, if you ignore the user, you dont see that user's posts anymore.

In here, look at this.

I still see the " Title of such useless posts " everyday in msin menu.



Only under the title, it just ignores the user post.




This discourage me visiting to this forum lately.
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Re: Can any engine solve this puzzle, White to move and Win?

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jhellis3 wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 2:53 am How about you tell us?

Or rather, why should we care?

Or rather, why are your questions other people's responsibility?
Indeed Joe, it is the very defintion of one who is parasitic, one who exploits the hospitality of others without returning anything of value...
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Re: Can any engine solve this puzzle, White to move and Win?

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Nay Lin Tun wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:16 am The problem with "ignore user" in here is terrible.
In many forums, if you ignore the user, you dont see that user's posts anymore.

In here, look at this.

I still see the " Title of such useless posts " everyday in msin menu.



Only under the title, it just ignores the user post.




This discourage me visiting to this forum lately.
Indeed, the ignore button should make posts not even visible to those who we have chose to ignore...
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Re: Can any engine solve this puzzle, White to move and Win?

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Nay Lin Tun wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:16 am The problem with "ignore user" in here is terrible.
In many forums, if you ignore the user, you dont see that user's posts anymore.

In here, look at this.

I still see the " Title of such useless posts " everyday in msin menu.


Only under the title, it just ignores the user post.



This discourage me visiting to this forum lately.
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Re: Can any engine solve this puzzle, White to move and Win?

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What's going on here? I never seen someone post a position and people being snippy about it. Someone usually post engine analysis on it.
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Re: Can any engine solve this puzzle, White to move and Win?

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h1a8 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 4:06 pm What's going on here? I never seen someone post a position and people being snippy about it. Someone usually post engine analysis on it.

As best I can tell, some people find Chessqueen's posting style to be too intrusive. Odd to attack him when he's posted a puzzle though.

Regarding the puzzle, I haven't done any engine analysis, but at a glance, it looks as though white is going to have to give lots of checks on the way to the solution, to prevent black's knight and queen from becoming active.
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Re: Can any engine solve this puzzle, White to move and Win?

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h1a8 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 4:06 pm What's going on here? I never seen someone post a position and people being snippy about it. Someone usually post engine analysis on it.
After some Forward- Backward of lines to exchange of Knights, wich are drawn 6men like e.g. this one:

[d]8/8/1B6/1B2q3/8/1R6/6k1/2K5 w - - 0 17

Output with full hash from Backward of such lines:

[d]1q2B3/N7/8/8/8/3k4/5R2/2K1B2n w - - 0 1

Analysis by CorChess NNUE 1.4 290521:

1.Bb5+ Ke3 2.Ra2 Qd6 3.Bd2+ Kf3 4.Be2+ Kg2 5.Nb5 Qe5 6.Bc3 Qf4+ 7.Kb1 Kh3 8.Nd4 Qe4+ 9.Rc2 Nf2 10.Nf3 Qb7+ 11.Bb2 Ne4 12.Bd3 Kg3 13.Nd4 Qb4 14.Nc6 Qe1+ 15.Ka2 Nd2 16.Nd4 Nf3 17.Nb3 Qe7 18.Rc5 Kh2 19.Bb5 Qe4 20.Bc3 Qe3 21.Bc6 Qe2+ 22.Ka3 Qe3 23.Bb4 Ne5
= (0.30) Depth: 44/54 00:07:20 3886MN, tb=84967539

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Re: Can any engine solve this puzzle, White to move and Win?

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peter wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 6:31 pm So_what_regards
Haha, found it :)
From here

http://arves.org/arves/index.php/en/lat ... plorations

to the link given there

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... PuGCkwXDTI

The first one dowload- link "8men_200.pgn" includes the given position and solution- line:

[pgn][Event "W +281"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.08"]
[Round "?"]
[White "RBBN-11"]
[Black "QN"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1q2B3/N7/8/8/8/3k4/5R2/2K1B2n w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "561"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]

1. Bb5+ $1 Ke4 2. Bc6+ $1 Ke3 3. Ra2 $1 Qb3 4. Bd2+ $1 Kf2 5. Rb2 $1 Qf7 6.
Bb4+ Kg3 7. Be1+ $1 Kg4 8. Rb4+ $1 Kh5 9. Nb5 Qf1 10. Rh4+ $1 Kg6 11. Kd2 $1
Nf2 12. Rd4 $1 Qg1 13. Bd7 $1 Qh2 14. Ke3 $1 Nh3 15. Rg4+ $1 Kf7 16. Nc3 $1 Qd6
17. Bb5 $1 Kf8 18. Bg3 $1 Qe6+ 19. Re4 $1 Qh6+ 20. Ke2 $1 Ng5 21. Re8+ $1 Kg7
22. Re3 Qh5+ 23. Kf2 Qh6 24. Be5+ Kf8 25. Bf1 $1 Qb6 26. Bg2 $1 Nf7 27. Bf4 $1
Nd6 28. Nd5 $1 Qc5 29. Kf1 $1 Nf5 30. Re5 $1 Qb5+ 31. Kg1 $1 Qb1+ 32. Kh2 $1
Qc2 33. Nb4 $1 Qb1 34. Bd2 Ne7 35. Re3 $1 Qd1 36. Rf3+ $1 Ke8 37. Rd3 $1 Kf7
38. Bf4 Qg4 39. Rf3 $1 Qh4+ 40. Bh3 Qh5 41. Rf2 $1 Ng6 42. Bg3+ $1 Kg8 43. Nd3
$1 Qd1 44. Be6+ Kh7 45. Rf7+ $1 Kh8 46. Nf2 $1 Qh5+ 47. Bh3 $1 Nh4 48. Rf4 $1
Nf3+ 49. Kh1 $1 Kg7 50. Rf5 $1 Ng5 51. Bf4 Qf3+ 52. Bg2 $1 Qh5+ 53. Nh3 Qd1+
54. Ng1 $1 Ne6 55. Bh2 $1 Qc2 56. Re5 $1 Kf6 57. Re2 $1 Qd1 58. Rf2+ $1 Kg7 59.
Rf1 Qh5 60. Nh3 $1 Ng5 61. Nf4 Qe8 62. Bd5 Qe3 63. Bg1 $1 Qd2 64. Bg2 $1 Kh7
65. Nd5 Qe2 66. Nf6+ Kg6 67. Bh2 $1 Qc4 68. Bg3 $1 Qc3 69. Kh2 Qc8 70. Be5 $1
Qe6 71. Bc3 Qd6+ 72. Kh1 $1 Qg3 73. Nd5 Qh4+ 74. Kg1 $1 Qg3 75. Rf8 Kh6 76. Bd4
Kh7 77. Ne3 Qe1+ 78. Nf1 $1 Qd1 79. Rf4 Kg6 80. Bf2 Qh5 81. Bh4 $1 Ne6 82. Rc4
Ng5 83. Kf2 Qh8 84. Rg4 Kh5 85. Rf4 $1 Qc3 86. Bg3 $1 Kh6 87. Kg1 Kg6 88. Kh1
Qe5 89. Bh2 Qe6 90. Rh4 Qe1 91. Rg4 Qd1 92. Rg3 $1 Kf6 93. Bg1 $1 Qh5+ 94. Nh2
Qd1 95. Rg4 Ne6 96. Re4 Ng5 97. Rf4+ Kg6 98. Rg4 Kf6 99. Rg3 Qc2 100. Nf1 Qh7+
101. Bh2 Qh4 102. Rc3 Qh5 103. Re3 Ne6 104. Rf3+ Kg6 105. Rg3+ Kf7 106. Ne3 Ng5
107. Bd5+ Kg7 108. Rg4 Kf6 109. Bg2 Kf7 110. Rf4+ Kg6 111. Ng4 Qh8 112. Rf6+
Kg7 113. Kg1 Qe8 114. Rf1 Qe2 115. Nf6 $1 Ne6 116. Ne4 Qe3+ 117. Kh1 $1 Qh6
118. Nd6 Qh5 119. Bf3 Qh3 120. Rg1+ Kf8 121. Bg2 $1 Qh5 122. Ne4 Qh4 123. Rf1+
$1 Kg7 124. Kg1 Qh5 125. Ng3 Qg4 126. Kh1 Nd4 127. Bd5 Kh6 128. Be4 Kg7 129.
Rf2 Qd1+ 130. Bg1 Ne6 131. Nf5+ Kg8 132. Bf3 Qe1 133. Bg2 Ng5 134. Rf4 Qe5 135.
Be3 Qh8+ 136. Rh4 Qa1+ 137. Bg1 $1 Kf7 138. Ne3 Kg6 139. Bd5 Qb2 140. Rg4 Qd2
141. Rg3 Qb2 142. Nf1 Qe5 143. Bg2 $1 Qh8+ 144. Bh2 Qh4 145. Re3 Kf7 146. Kg1
Qd4 147. Be5 $1 Qc5 148. Kh1 Ne6 149. Re4 $1 Ng5 150. Rf4+ Ke8 151. Bf6 Ne6
152. Re4 $1 Kf7 153. Bh4 Qc1 154. Be1 Qh6+ 155. Nh2 Kf8 156. Bg3 Qc1+ 157. Nf1
Kf7 158. Kg1 Qd1 159. Bf2 Ng5 160. Rf4+ Kg6 161. Kh1 Ne6 162. Rh4 Ng7 163. Rd4
Qh5+ 164. Nh2 Nf5 165. Rg4+ Kf6 166. Kg1 $1 Qh6 167. Re4 Qc1+ 168. Bf1 Qc2 169.
Rc4 Qb3 170. Rf4 Kg5 171. Rf3 Qa4 172. Rd3 Kh6 173. Nf3 Qg4+ 174. Bg2 Kh7 175.
Ne1 Kg8 176. Rh3 Qc4 177. Nd3 Qa4 178. Kh2 Qa6 179. Bd5+ Kf8 180. Kg2 Qf6 181.
Be4 Ke8 182. Kg1 Qg6+ 183. Bg2 Qg7 184. Rf3 Qg5 185. Kf1 Qg6 186. Bh3 Qc6 187.
Ne1 Qc4+ 188. Rd3 Nd6 189. Bg2 $1 Nf5 190. Kg1 Qg4 191. Rc3 Kf8 192. Rf3 Qg6
193. Kh2 Kg8 194. Bh3 Qd6+ 195. Kg1 $1 Qg6+ 196. Ng2 Qh5 197. Rd3 Qf7 198. Rd8+
Kh7 199. Bg4 Qg6 200. Bf3 Qf6 201. Rd5 Qa1+ 202. Rd1 Qc3 203. Be4 Qe5 204. Re1
Kg8 205. Bf3 Qc3 206. Bg4 Qd3 207. Re8+ Kg7 208. Ne1 Qb1 209. Re6 Qc1 210. Re4
Nd6 211. Rd4 Nc4 212. Be2 Ne3 213. Rd3 Nf5 214. Rf3 Nd6 215. Rg3+ Kf8 216. Rg4
Nf5 217. Bd3 Ne3 218. Rf4+ $1 Kg8 219. Re4 $1 Nd1 220. Bd4 Nc3 221. Rg4+ $1 Kf8
222. Kf2 $1 Qd2+ 223. Kf1 $1 Nd5 224. Bc5+ $1 Kf7 225. Bc4 $1 Kf6 226. Rg3 $1
Nf4 227. Rf3 $1 Qc1 228. Bd4+ $1 Ke7 229. Re3+ $1 Kf8 230. Bc5+ $1 Kg7 231. Re4
$1 Nd5 232. Bd4+ Kf8 233. Bf2 Qg5 234. Nd3 Qf5 235. Nc5 $1 Nf6 236. Rf4 $1 Qb1+
237. Ke2 Qc2+ 238. Kf3 Ke8 239. Ne6 Qd1+ 240. Kg2 $1 Qc2 241. Ng7+ Kd8 242.
Rd4+ Ke7 243. Bd3 $1 Qc6+ 244. Kg3 Qc7+ 245. Kh3 Qc8+ 246. Nf5+ $1 Kf7 247. Bg3
Qc1 248. Kg2 Qd2+ 249. Kf3 Qd1+ 250. Ke3 Qc1+ 251. Ke2 Qb2+ 252. Kf3 Qc1 253.
Ne3 Qh1+ 254. Kf2 Qb7 255. Bc4+ Kg6 256. Be5 Qe7 257. Bd3+ Kf7 258. Nc4 Qa7
259. Kg3 Ke7 260. Bf5 Qa8 261. Bd6+ Kf7 262. Ne5+ Kg8 263. Bd3 Qa1 264. Nf3
Nh5+ 265. Kh2 Qb2+ 266. Kh3 Qc1 267. Bc4+ Kh7 268. Bh2 Kh6 269. Rd6+ Kg7 270.
Rd7+ Kh6 271. Bd3 Nf6 272. Rd6 Kh5 273. Bg3 Qe3 274. Kg2 Ng4 275. Bg6+ Kh6 276.
Nd4 Kg5 277. Bd3 Nf6 278. Bh4+ Kh5 279. Nf5 Qd2+ 280. Kh3 Qd1 281. Bxf6 1-0
[/pgn]

From end of this line it's #13:

[d]8/8/3R1B2/5N1k/8/3B3K/8/3q4 b - -

1...Qh1+ 2.Kg3 Qg1+ 3.Kf3 Qh1+ 4.Kf4 Qc1+ 5.Ne3 Qg1 6.Be2+ Kg6 7.Bg5+ Kh7 8.
Bd3+ Kg8 9.Bc4+ Kf8 10.Rd8+ Kg7 11.Nf5+ Kh7 12.Bg8+ Kh8 13.Bf6+ Qg7 14.Bxg7#

Funny, but yjadeg (yet just a drawn endgame) according to 50 moves rule.
Of course, we could call it a study and thus set this one drawing- rule out of order, but I don't like to do so
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