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what is the most popular losing opening?

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possible candidate is the opening 1.d4 c5 2.d5 e5

I do not know if white is winning but stockfish gives more than +1.5 for white

It is possible to check by engine-engine games if white is winning.

If somebody can rank positions in the opening based on popularity and play engine-engine games we may find the most popular line when stockfish-stockfish game is not a draw.
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Re: what is the most popular losing opening?

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I play this opening exclusively all the time as black and I have a 55.6% win percentage. It is a tight, hedgehog formation but I always get good chances on the kingside. I feel comfortable playing it. Some players play these wacko openings and they do good with it because they are used to the formations,motifs,etc.
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Re: what is the most popular losing opening?

Post by Uri Blass »

humans player may get good results from losing positions.


The question if objectively white is winning after 1.d4 c5 2.d5 e5 or not.

I think that we can learn from results of stockfish-stockfish or stockfish-lc0 or stockfish-dragon games at long time control.
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Re: what is the most popular losing opening?

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Uri Blass wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:14 am possible candidate is the opening 1.d4 c5 2.d5 e5

I do not know if white is winning but stockfish gives more than +1.5 for white

It is possible to check by engine-engine games if white is winning.

If somebody can rank positions in the opening based on popularity and play engine-engine games we may find the most popular line when stockfish-stockfish game is not a draw.

Let’s start with the Barnes Defense (1.e4 f6):

The Barnes Defense has a close cousin which is even worse: the Fried Fox Defense (1.e4 f6 2.d4 Kf7):

There’s also the Grob (1.g4) which has had its own quirky enthusiasts over the years. It is named after the late Swiss IM Henri Grob, who used it semi-regularly in his own games with some success. It critically weakens squares which may become important on White’s kingside.


At the beginner’s level it makes no sense to study openings (in depth).

It’s ok to know the first moves, which is what defines or characterizes the opening, but to study all different variations, many moves deep is not necessary at beginner’s level. Some people even argue that it is only worth around 2200–2400 level. Although that is debatable.

For instance, we know that the Spanish Opening (Ruy Lopez) is defined by the following moves:

e4 e5
Nf3 Nc6
Bb5
Black can answer in many different ways:

Morphy Defence 3…a6.
Berlin Defense 3…Nf6
Bird Variation 3…Nd4
Schliemann Defense 3…f5
Etc
White can also respond with many different moves, each one of them taking the game into a different route.

After 3…a6 white can respond with 4. Ba4 or Bxc6.

Each move opens a new branch and you can see that the decision tree is becoming wider and growing exponentially.

So, you have memorized 118 different variations until move 15 to gain a little advantage or at least not blunder. What then? What to do in move 16? You don’t know, you haven’t studied that!!! Chances are that you’re going to blunder your bishop in move 19 if you don’t know what you’re doing.

And that’s the key.

At the beginner’s level there are many aspects of the game to learn, from tactics, strategy, positional play, defensive play, how to attack, openings, etc.

I assume that you’re like everybody else and you don’t have infinite time to study chess so you have to prioritize.

Learn chess fundamentals first, invest most of your time in tactics. Little by little you’ll know more about the game and the opening study will yield better results.

The most important about the openings are the general principles (for the first 8–10 moves)

Control the center
Develop your pieces
Castle
Protect your pieces
Don’t move the queen so early
Connect your rooks
Don’t move a piece twice
So, learn the first 3 to 5 moves of some few lines (and the idea behind them), do a lot of tactics, study the endgame and play!

By knowing the most important general principles no matter what you are facing something weird that you have not ever seen before for instance when you take Rook Odds the engine will throw opening that you would have never expected or memorized in your lifetime, but by knowing the general principles and applying them you can survive the first 15 moves and knowing that when you are ahead in material all you have to do it to force the trade of more pieces in every opportunity that you get. Let me show you a game that can demonstrate this.

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.06.08"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish_21052415_x64_bmi2"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[ECO "C40"]
[Opening "Open Game"]
[Time "09:01:25"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[Variation "1.e4 e5"]
[WhiteElo "3500"]
[TimeControl "0+45"]
[PlyCount "73"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "human"]


1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. Bb5+ Bd7 4. Bc4 c6 5. dxc6 Nxc6 6. Nf3 Bf5 7. O-O
e6 8. d4 Bd6 9. Bb3 O-O 10. h3 Na5 11. Nbd2 Rc8 12. c3 Nxb3 13. axb3 b5 14.
Nh4 Bd3 15. Re1 a5 16. Nhf3 Rc7 17. Ne5 Bxe5 18. dxe5 Nd7 19. Nf3 Nc5 20.
Be3 Qd5 21. Nd4 b4 22. c4 Qd7 23. Nb5 Rc6 24. Nd6 Bg6 25. Bxc5 Rxc5 26. Qd4
Qc7 27. Qe3 Ra8 28. Rd1 Rd8 29. Kh2 Qb6 30. h4 Rc6 31. c5 Qc7 32. Rc1 h5
33. Qd4 Ra6 34. Qf4 Qc6 35. Qc4 Rb8 36. Ra1 Ra7 37. Kg3 Rba8 38. Kh3 Rc7
39. Rc1 Bf5+ 40. Kh2 Rb8 41. Qd4 Rd8 42. Kg3 Rdd7 43. Qc4 Bh7 44. f3 Bg6
45. Qd4 Rd8 46. Kf2 Rf8 47. Kg3 Rb8 48. Kf4 Rd8 49. Kg3 Qa6 50. Qe3 Rf8 51.
Ra1 Rb8 52. Rc1 Qc6 53. Qd4 Kf8 54. f4 Rd8 55. Qd1 Rdd7 56. Kf2 Kg8 57. Qd4
Be4 58. Qxe4 Rxd6 59. exd6 Qxe4 60. dxc7 Qxf4+ 61. Ke2 Qxc7 62. c6 Qe5+ 63.
Kd1 Qd5+ 64. Ke1 Qe4+ 65. Kd1 Qd3+ 66. Ke1 Qe3+ 67. Kd1 Qxb3+ 68. Rc2 Qd3+
69. Kc1 Qe3+ 70. Kd1 Qg1+ 71. Kd2 Qxg2+ 72. Kd1 Qg4+ 73. Kd2 Qf4+ 74. Kd3
b3 75. Rc3 Qc7 76. Rxb3 Qd6+ 77. Ke2 Qxc6 78. Kd2 Qc4 79. Rb8+ Kh7 80. Rd8
{White resigns} *[/pgn]
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Re: what is the most popular losing opening?

Post by Uri Blass »

Chessqueen wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:38 pm
Uri Blass wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:14 am possible candidate is the opening 1.d4 c5 2.d5 e5

I do not know if white is winning but stockfish gives more than +1.5 for white

It is possible to check by engine-engine games if white is winning.

If somebody can rank positions in the opening based on popularity and play engine-engine games we may find the most popular line when stockfish-stockfish game is not a draw.

Let’s start with the Barnes Defense (1.e4 f6):

The Barnes Defense has a close cousin which is even worse: the Fried Fox Defense (1.e4 f6 2.d4 Kf7):

There’s also the Grob (1.g4) which has had its own quirky enthusiasts over the years. It is named after the late Swiss IM Henri Grob, who used it semi-regularly in his own games with some success. It critically weakens squares which may become important on White’s kingside.


At the beginner’s level it makes no sense to study openings (in depth).

It’s ok to know the first moves, which is what defines or characterizes the opening, but to study all different variations, many moves deep is not necessary at beginner’s level. Some people even argue that it is only worth around 2200–2400 level. Although that is debatable.

For instance, we know that the Spanish Opening (Ruy Lopez) is defined by the following moves:

e4 e5
Nf3 Nc6
Bb5
Black can answer in many different ways:

Morphy Defence 3…a6.
Berlin Defense 3…Nf6
Bird Variation 3…Nd4
Schliemann Defense 3…f5
Etc
White can also respond with many different moves, each one of them taking the game into a different route.

After 3…a6 white can respond with 4. Ba4 or Bxc6.

Each move opens a new branch and you can see that the decision tree is becoming wider and growing exponentially.

So, you have memorized 118 different variations until move 15 to gain a little advantage or at least not blunder. What then? What to do in move 16? You don’t know, you haven’t studied that!!! Chances are that you’re going to blunder your bishop in move 19 if you don’t know what you’re doing.

And that’s the key.

At the beginner’s level there are many aspects of the game to learn, from tactics, strategy, positional play, defensive play, how to attack, openings, etc.

I assume that you’re like everybody else and you don’t have infinite time to study chess so you have to prioritize.

Learn chess fundamentals first, invest most of your time in tactics. Little by little you’ll know more about the game and the opening study will yield better results.

The most important about the openings are the general principles (for the first 8–10 moves)

Control the center
Develop your pieces
Castle
Protect your pieces
Don’t move the queen so early
Connect your rooks
Don’t move a piece twice
So, learn the first 3 to 5 moves of some few lines (and the idea behind them), do a lot of tactics, study the endgame and play!

By knowing the most important general principles no matter what you are facing something weird that you have not ever seen before for instance when you take Rook Odds the engine will throw opening that you would have never expected or memorized in your lifetime, but by knowing the general principles and applying them you can survive the first 15 moves and knowing that when you are ahead in material all you have to do it to force the trade of more pieces in every opportunity that you get. Let me show you a game that can demonstrate this.

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.06.08"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish_21052415_x64_bmi2"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[ECO "C40"]
[Opening "Open Game"]
[Time "09:01:25"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[Variation "1.e4 e5"]
[WhiteElo "3500"]
[TimeControl "0+45"]
[PlyCount "73"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "human"]


1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. Bb5+ Bd7 4. Bc4 c6 5. dxc6 Nxc6 6. Nf3 Bf5 7. O-O
e6 8. d4 Bd6 9. Bb3 O-O 10. h3 Na5 11. Nbd2 Rc8 12. c3 Nxb3 13. axb3 b5 14.
Nh4 Bd3 15. Re1 a5 16. Nhf3 Rc7 17. Ne5 Bxe5 18. dxe5 Nd7 19. Nf3 Nc5 20.
Be3 Qd5 21. Nd4 b4 22. c4 Qd7 23. Nb5 Rc6 24. Nd6 Bg6 25. Bxc5 Rxc5 26. Qd4
Qc7 27. Qe3 Ra8 28. Rd1 Rd8 29. Kh2 Qb6 30. h4 Rc6 31. c5 Qc7 32. Rc1 h5
33. Qd4 Ra6 34. Qf4 Qc6 35. Qc4 Rb8 36. Ra1 Ra7 37. Kg3 Rba8 38. Kh3 Rc7
39. Rc1 Bf5+ 40. Kh2 Rb8 41. Qd4 Rd8 42. Kg3 Rdd7 43. Qc4 Bh7 44. f3 Bg6
45. Qd4 Rd8 46. Kf2 Rf8 47. Kg3 Rb8 48. Kf4 Rd8 49. Kg3 Qa6 50. Qe3 Rf8 51.
Ra1 Rb8 52. Rc1 Qc6 53. Qd4 Kf8 54. f4 Rd8 55. Qd1 Rdd7 56. Kf2 Kg8 57. Qd4
Be4 58. Qxe4 Rxd6 59. exd6 Qxe4 60. dxc7 Qxf4+ 61. Ke2 Qxc7 62. c6 Qe5+ 63.
Kd1 Qd5+ 64. Ke1 Qe4+ 65. Kd1 Qd3+ 66. Ke1 Qe3+ 67. Kd1 Qxb3+ 68. Rc2 Qd3+
69. Kc1 Qe3+ 70. Kd1 Qg1+ 71. Kd2 Qxg2+ 72. Kd1 Qg4+ 73. Kd2 Qf4+ 74. Kd3
b3 75. Rc3 Qc7 76. Rxb3 Qd6+ 77. Ke2 Qxc6 78. Kd2 Qc4 79. Rb8+ Kh7 80. Rd8
{White resigns} *[/pgn]
e4 f6 is not popular

I find only 30 games at all levels based on
https://old.chesstempo.com/game-database.html

g4 is relatively more popular because I find 1123 games and if I look at 2200+ level I find 159 games
The line d4 c5 d5 e5 is more popular
I find 4311 games out of them 1890 are between players above 2200.
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Re: what is the most popular losing opening?

Post by Uri Blass »

After d4 c5 d5 e5
I get the following analysis

3.e4 gets the score 1.5 for white

FEN: rnbqkbnr/pp1p1ppp/8/2pPp3/8/8/PPP1PPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq e6 0 3

Stockfish_21061411_x64_avx2:
NNUE evaluation using nn-8e47cf062333.nnue enabled
1/1 00:00 300 300k +1.91 e2-e4
2/2 00:00 565 283k +2.60 Ng1-f3 a7-a6
3/3 00:00 1k 690k +1.70 a2-a4 d7-d6 e2-e4
4/4 00:00 2k 918k +1.88 a2-a4 d7-d6
5/5 00:00 3k 1,676k +1.73 a2-a4 d7-d6 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-c3
6/6 00:00 5k 2,358k +1.71 a2-a4 d7-d6 e2-e4 Nb8-d7 Bf1-e2 Ng8-f6
7/7 00:00 13k 3,202k +1.67 a2-a4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-c3 d7-d6 e2-e4 Bf8-e7 Ng1-e2
8/8 00:00 28k 4,665k +1.70 Nb1-c3 d7-d6 e2-e4 Bf8-e7 Ng1-f3 f7-f5 e4xf5 Bc8xf5
9/10 00:00 30k 4,246k +1.83 Nb1-c3 d7-d6 e2-e4 Bf8-e7 Ng1-f3 f7-f5 e4xf5 Bc8xf5
10/12 00:00 59k 5,350k +1.66 Nb1-c3 d7-d6 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Ng1-f3 Bf8-e7 Nf3-d2 O-O Nd2-c4 b7-b5 Nc3xb5
11/16 00:00 130k 6,489k +1.68 e2-e4 d7-d6 Nb1-c3 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 Ng8-f6 Bf1-b5+ Nb8-d7 Bb5-e2 O-O Ng1-f3 Kg8-h8 Nf3-d2 Nf6-e8
12/21 00:00 316k 6,451k +1.68 Nb1-c3 d7-d6 e2-e4 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 Ng8-f6 Bf1-b5+ Nb8-d7 Ng1-f3 O-O Bb5-e2 Kg8-h8 Nf3-d2 Nf6-e8
13/17 00:00 368k 6,573k +1.65 e2-e4 d7-d6 Nb1-c3 Ng8-f6 Ng1-f3 Bf8-e7 Bf1-b5+ Bc8-d7 a2-a4 O-O Bb5xd7 Nb8xd7 Qd1-e2
14/19 00:00 407k 6,565k +1.59 e2-e4 d7-d6 Nb1-c3 Ng8-f6 a2-a4 Bf8-e7 Bf1-b5+ Nb8-d7 Ng1-f3 O-O Bb5-e2 Nf6-e8 g2-g4 Nd7-b8
15/21 00:00 574k 6,753k +1.69 Nb1-c3 Ng8-f6 e2-e4 d7-d6 Ng1-f3 Bf8-e7 Bf1-b5+ Nb8-d7 a2-a4 O-O Bb5-e2 Nf6-e8 h2-h4 Nd7-b8 h4-h5 Nb8-a6 Nf3-d2 Be7-g5 g2-g4
16/24 00:00 1,087k 7,496k +1.90 e2-e4 d7-d6 Ng1-e2 Nb8-a6 a2-a4 Na6-c7 Ne2-c3 Bf8-e7 Nb1-a3 f7-f5 e4xf5 Bc8xf5 g2-g4 Bf5-d7 g4-g5
17/23 00:00 1,949k 7,705k +1.63 e2-e4 d7-d6 a2-a4 Bf8-e7 Ng1-e2 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Nb8-a6 Ne2-g3 h7-h5 h2-h3 h5-h4 Bf1-b5+ Ke8-f8 Ng3-f1 Nf6-h5 Bb5-e2 Nh5-f4 Nf1-e3 Be7-g5 O-O g7-g6
18/25 00:00 2,270k 7,747k +1.66 e2-e4 d7-d6 a2-a4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 Ng1-e2 Nb8-a6 h2-h3 O-O Ne2-g3 Nf6-e8 Nd2-c4 Be7-h4 Bf1-e2 Bh4xg3 f2xg3 Na6-c7 O-O f7-f5 e4xf5 Rf8xf5 Be2-f3 Rf5-f8 g3-g4
19/29 00:00 3,574k 7,735k +1.72 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 d7-d6 a2-a4 Bf8-e7 Ng1-e2 Nb8-a6 h2-h3 O-O Ne2-g3 Nf6-e8 Bf1-e2 Be7-g5 O-O g7-g6 Nd2-c4 h7-h5 Be2xh5 g6xh5 Qd1xh5
20/23 00:00 3,828k 7,703k +1.69 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 d7-d6 a2-a4 Bf8-e7 Ng1-e2 Nb8-a6 h2-h3 O-O Ne2-g3 Nf6-e8 Nd2-c4 Be7-h4 Bf1-e2 Bh4xg3 f2xg3 f7-f5 e4xf5 Bc8xf5 O-O Bf5-g6 Rf1xf8+ Kg8xf8
21/27 00:00 5,441k 7,728k +1.68 e2-e4 d7-d6 a2-a4 Bf8-e7 Ng1-e2 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Nb8-a6 h2-h3 O-O Ne2-g3 Nf6-e8 Nd2-c4 Be7-h4 Bf1-e2 Bh4xg3 f2xg3 f7-f5 e4xf5 Bc8xf5 O-O Bf5-g6 Rf1xf8+ Kg8xf8
22/27 00:00 7,173k 7,857k +1.70 e2-e4 d7-d6 a2-a4 Bf8-e7 Ng1-e2 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Nb8-a6 Ne2-c3 O-O Nd2-c4 Nf6-e8 g2-g4 Be7-g5 Bc1xg5 Qd8xg5 Nc4-e3 Qg5-h4 Bf1xa6 b7xa6 Qd1-f3 Ra8-b8 O-O-O Rb8-b4
23/31 00:02 16,180k 7,971k +1.68 e2-e4 d7-d6 Ng1-e2 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 Nb8-a6 Ne2-c3 Na6-c7 Bf1-d3 Be7-g5 Nb1-d2 b7-b6 a4-a5 Ng8-e7 a5xb6 Bg5xd2+ Qd1xd2 a7xb6 Ra1xa8 Nc7xa8 f2-f4 e5xf4
24/31 00:02 22,833k 8,063k +1.70 e2-e4 d7-d6 Ng1-e2 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 f7-f5 e4xf5 Bc8xf5 Ne2-g3 Bf5-g6 h2-h4 Be7xh4 Bf1-b5+ Ke8-f8 Ra1-a3 a7-a6 Bb5-c4 Kf8-e8 Bc4-d3 Bg6xd3 Ra3xd3 Bh4xg3 Rd3xg3 Qd8-d7 Nb1-c3 Ng8-f6 Bc1-g5
25/36+ 00:03 30,723k 8,083k +1.78 e2-e4
25/36 00:03 31,852k 8,088k +1.69 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 Nb8-a6 Bf1-d3 Na6-b4 Bd3-b5 O-O c2-c3 Nb4-a6 Ng1-e2 d7-d6 Ne2-g3 Nf6-e8 O-O Na6-c7 Bb5-d3 Be7-g5 Nd2-c4 Bg5xc1 Ra1xc1 f7-f5 e4xf5 Nc7xd5 Bd3-c2 Nd5-f4 Nc4xe5
26/38+ 00:04 37,630k 8,092k +1.77 e2-e4
26/38- 00:05 42,038k 8,109k +1.61 e2-e4 Ng8-f6
26/38 00:06 52,932k 8,138k +1.56 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 Bf1-d3 O-O Ng1-e2 d7-d6 a2-a4 Nf6-e8 O-O Be7-g5 Nd2-c4 Bg5xc1 Qd1xc1 b7-b6 Nc4-e3 Nb8-d7 Ne2-g3 g7-g6 Qc1-d2 a7-a5 f2-f3 Kg8-h8 Bd3-b5 Ne8-c7 Ne3-c4
27/37+ 00:08 65,518k 8,073k +1.64 e2-e4
27/37 00:08 67,446k 8,074k +1.57 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 d7-d6 Bf1-d3 O-O Ng1-e2 Nf6-e8 Ne2-g3 Be7-g5 Nd2-c4 Bg5-f4 O-O Nb8-d7 a4-a5 g7-g6 f2-f3 Bf4xc1 Qd1xc1 Ra8-b8 Bd3-e2 b7-b5 a5xb6/ep a7xb6 Qc1-h6 b6-b5 Nc4-a5
28/37+ 00:09 79,345k 8,076k +1.65 e2-e4
28/37 00:10 84,956k 8,069k +1.69 e2-e4 d7-d6 a2-a4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 Ng1-e2 Nb8-a6 h2-h3 O-O g2-g4 Na6-c7 Ne2-g3 Nf6-e8 Nd2-c4 Be7-h4 Bf1-d3 Ra8-b8 Ng3-f5 Bc8xf5 g4xf5 Bh4-g5 Nc4-d2 b7-b5 h3-h4 Bg5xd2+ Qd1xd2 b5xa4 Ra1xa4 Nc7-b5
29/37- 00:13 107,490k 8,043k +1.61 e2-e4 Ng8-f6
29/39 00:17 139,099k 8,005k +1.64 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 d7-d6 Bf1-d3 O-O Ng1-e2 Nf6-e8 Ne2-g3 Be7-g5 Nd2-c4 Bg5-f4 Bc1-e3 Nb8-a6 O-O b7-b6 Qd1-d2 Qd8-h4 c2-c3 Na6-c7 f2-f3 Bf4xg3 h2xg3 Qh4xg3 f3-f4 Bc8-a6 Rf1-f3 Qg3-g4 Ra1-f1 f7-f5 f4xe5
30/41+ 00:22 176,739k 7,998k +1.72 e2-e4
30/41 00:27 217,511k 7,973k +1.66 e2-e4 d7-d6 Ng1-e2 Bf8-e7 Ne2-c3 Ng8-f6 Bf1-b5+ Nf6-d7 a2-a4 O-O Bb5-e2 Nb8-a6 Nb1-d2 Nd7-f6 Nd2-c4 Nf6-e8 O-O f7-f5 f2-f4 Na6-b4 f4xe5 d6xe5 Bc1-e3 Ne8-d6 Nc4xe5 f5xe4 Be3xc5 Rf8xf1+ Be2xf1 Nd6-f5 Bc5xb4 Be7xb4 Nc3xe4
31/41 00:31 249,025k 7,963k +1.63 e2-e4 d7-d6 Ng1-e2 Bf8-e7 Ne2-c3 Nb8-a6 a2-a4 Ng8-f6 Bf1-b5+ Nf6-d7 Bb5-e2 O-O Nb1-d2 Nd7-f6 Nd2-c4 Nf6-e8 O-O f7-f5 f2-f4 Na6-b4 f4xe5 d6xe5 Bc1-e3 Ne8-d6 Nc4xe5 f5xe4 Be3xc5 Rf8xf1+ Be2xf1 Nd6-f5 d5-d6 Be7xd6 Bc5xd6 Qd8-b6+ Kg1-h1 Nf5xd6
32/40+ 00:36 289,352k 7,862k +1.71 e2-e4
32/43 00:40 314,080k 7,824k +1.76 e2-e4 d7-d6 Ng1-e2 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 Nb8-a6 Ne2-c3 Ng8-f6 Bf1-b5+ Nf6-d7 Nb1-d2 O-O O-O Be7-g5 Bb5-e2 Na6-c7 Nd2-c4 Bg5xc1 Qd1xc1 Nd7-b6 Nc4-e3 Bc8-d7 Qc1-d2 Qd8-g5 a4-a5 Nb6-c8 g2-g3 b7-b5 a5xb6/ep a7xb6 Ra1xa8 Nc7xa8
33/43- 01:01 471,674k 7,635k +1.68 e2-e4 Ng8-f6
33/43+ 01:08 520,438k 7,593k +1.76 e2-e4
33/43 01:15 569,050k 7,563k +1.75 e2-e4 d7-d6 Ng1-e2 Bf8-e7 Ne2-c3 Ng8-f6 Bf1-b5+ Nb8-d7 a2-a4 O-O Nb1-a3 Nf6-e8 Bb5-d3 a7-a6 Na3-c4 Ra8-b8 h2-h4 b7-b6 Nc4-e3 Ne8-c7 Qd1-e2 g7-g6 b2-b3 Be7xh4 Ne3-f5 Bh4-g5 Nf5xd6 Bg5xc1 Ra1xc1 Qd8-f6 Nd6xc8 Rf8xc8 Qe2-d2 b6-b5
34/43- 01:23 631,898k 7,535k +1.67 e2-e4 d7-d6
34/43+ 01:27 658,584k 7,520k +1.75 e2-e4
34/44 01:47 804,857k 7,501k +1.68 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 h2-h3 d7-d6 a2-a4 O-O Ng1-e2 Nf6-e8 g2-g4 Nb8-d7 Ne2-c3 Be7-h4 Qd1-f3 a7-a6 Nd2-c4 Nd7-b6 Nc4-e3 Bc8-d7 Ne3-g2 Bh4-g5 Bc1xg5 Qd8xg5 Ng2-e3 Qg5-h4 Rh1-g1 Nb6-c8 Qf3-g3 Qh4-d8 h3-h4 Nc8-e7 a4-a5 Ne8-c7 f2-f3 Nc7-b5 Bf1xb5 a6xb5 g4-g5
35/41 01:56 873,356k 7,489k +1.73 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 d7-d6 Ng1-e2 O-O h2-h3 Nf6-e8 g2-g4 Nb8-d7 Ne2-c3 Be7-h4 Qd1-f3 a7-a6 Nd2-c4 Nd7-b6 Nc4-e3 Bc8-d7 Ne3-g2 Bh4-g5 Bc1xg5 Qd8xg5 Ng2-e3 Qg5-h4 Rh1-g1 Nb6-c8 Qf3-g3 Qh4-d8 h3-h4 Ra8-b8 h4-h5 b7-b5 a4xb5 a6xb5 g4-g5 Nc8-e7 h5-h6 g7xh6 Ra1-a7
36/41- 02:04 932,020k 7,476k +1.64 e2-e4 Ng8-f6
36/43+ 02:11 980,276k 7,465k +1.73 e2-e4
36/43 02:12 990,284k 7,464k +1.66 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 d7-d6 h2-h3 O-O Ng1-e2 Nf6-e8 g2-g4 Nb8-d7 Ne2-g3 Be7-g5 Nd2-c4 Bg5-f4 Ng3-e2 Bf4xc1 Qd1xc1 Nd7-b6 Nc4-e3 Bc8-d7 b2-b3 Nb6-c8 Ne2-g3 Nc8-e7 h3-h4 Ne7-g6 h4-h5 Ng6-f4 f2-f3 Kg8-h8 Ke1-f2 Ne8-c7 Ne3-c4 b7-b5 Nc4xd6 Bd7xg4
37/46+ 02:53 1,279,390k 7,390k +1.75 e2-e4
37/46 03:10 1,408,667k 7,375k +1.62 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 d7-d6 Ng1-e2 Nb8-a6 h2-h3 Na6-c7 g2-g4 h7-h6 Ne2-g3 Nf6-h7 Nd2-c4 Be7-h4 Ng3-f5 Bc8xf5 g4xf5 O-O Qd1-g4 Kg8-h8 Bf1-d3 Nc7-e8 c2-c3 b7-b6 Rh1-g1 Ra8-b8 Bc1-e3 Qd8-e7 Ke1-d1 Bh4-g5 f2-f4 Bg5xf4 Be3xf4 e5xf4 Qg4xf4 Nh7-g5 h3-h4
38/48+ 03:58 1,749,995k 7,342k +1.70 e2-e4
38/50 04:07 1,818,843k 7,337k +1.60 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 d7-d6 Bf1-d3 O-O Ng1-e2 Nf6-e8 O-O Nb8-d7 Nd2-c4 Nd7-b6 Nc4-e3 Be7-g5 b2-b3 a7-a5 f2-f3 g7-g6 Kg1-h1 Ne8-g7 g2-g4 c5-c4 Ne3xc4 Nb6xc4 Bd3xc4 f7-f5 f3-f4 e5xf4 e4xf5 g6xf5 Ne2xf4 f5xg4 Nf4-e6 Ng7xe6 d5xe6
39/50+ 05:06 2,243,453k 7,318k +1.68 e2-e4
39/54+ 06:06 2,679,196k 7,302k +1.76 Nb1-c3
39/54- 06:46 2,962,929k 7,292k +1.52 Nb1-c3 d7-d6
39/54 07:48 3,406,454k 7,264k +1.54 Nb1-c3 d7-d6 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Ng1-f3 Bf8-e7 Bf1-b5+ Nb8-d7 a2-a4 O-O Nf3-d2 Nf6-e8 h2-h4 a7-a6 Bb5-d3 Nd7-f6 Nd2-c4 b7-b6 Nc4-e3 h7-h5 g2-g3 g7-g6 Qd1-e2 Ne8-g7 Ne3-g2 Nf6-d7 Bc1-h6 Kg8-h7 Bh6-d2 f7-f5 e4xf5 g6xf5 b2-b3 Nd7-f6 f2-f3 Kh7-h8 Bd2-g5 Nf6-g8 O-O-O Be7xg5+ h4xg5
40/50 08:19 3,622,633k 7,256k +1.59 Nb1-c3 d7-d6 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Ng1-f3 Bf8-e7 Bf1-b5+ Nb8-d7 a2-a4 O-O Bb5-d3 Nf6-e8 h2-h3 a7-a6 Qd1-e2 Ne8-c7 b2-b3 Ra8-b8 g2-g4 b7-b6 Bc1-d2 Rf8-e8 Rh1-g1 Nd7-f8 h3-h4 Nf8-g6 g4-g5 Ng6-f4 Bd2xf4 e5xf4 Qe2-d2 b6-b5 Qd2xf4 c5-c4 b3xc4 b5xc4 Bd3xc4 Rb8-b4 Nf3-d2 g7-g6 Ra1-b1 Rb4xb1+ Nd2xb1 h7-h5 g5xh6/ep Be7xh4
41/54+ 09:13 4,013,686k 7,246k +1.67 e2-e4
41/55- 09:51 4,290,771k 7,248k +1.51 e2-e4 Ng8-f6
41/55+ 10:40 4,638,212k 7,237k +1.63 e2-e4
41/60 11:46 5,094,502k 7,212k +1.54 a2-a4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-c3 d7-d6 e2-e4 Bf8-e7 Bf1-b5+ Nb8-d7 Ng1-f3 O-O Nf3-d2 Nf6-e8 h2-h4 f7-f5 e4xf5 Rf8xf5 g2-g4 Rf5-f7 g4-g5 Nd7-f8 Bb5-d3 Nf8-g6 Bd3xg6 h7xg6 Nd2-e4 Bc8-f5 h4-h5 Qd8-d7 Rh1-h4 Ne8-c7 Qd1-e2 Ra8-b8 h5xg6 Bf5xg6 Qe2-f1 Rf7-f8 Qf1-h1 Kg8-f7 Bc1-e3 b7-b5 Nc3xb5 Nc7xb5 a4xb5 Qd7xb5 Ra1xa7
42/59+ 12:06 5,237,378k 7,207k +1.62 e2-e4
42/59+ 12:20 5,330,261k 7,203k +1.70 e2-e4
42/59 12:30 5,403,382k 7,197k +1.50 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 Bf1-d3 d7-d6 a2-a4 O-O Ng1-e2 Nf6-e8 O-O Nb8-d7 Nd2-c4 g7-g6 Bc1-h6 Ne8-g7 a4-a5 b7-b5 a5xb6/ep Nd7xb6 Nc4-a5 Be7-g5 Na5-c6 Qd8-f6 Bh6xg7 Qf6xg7 Bd3-a6 Bc8xa6 Ra1xa6 f7-f5 Ne2-c3 Nb6-c4 Qd1-e2 Nc4-d2 Rf1-a1 f5xe4 Nc3xe4 Nd2xe4 Qe2xe4 Rf8-f4 Qe4-e2 Qg7-f7 g2-g3 Rf4-f3 Ra6xa7 Ra8xa7 Nc6xa7 e5-e4 Qe2xe4 Rf3xf2
43/61+ 14:04 6,064,534k 7,185k +1.58 e2-e4
43/61+ 14:15 6,144,435k 7,184k +1.66 e2-e4
43/61 14:51 6,403,714k 7,183k +1.71 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 d7-d6 Ng1-e2 Nb8-a6 h2-h3 Na6-c7 g2-g4 h7-h6 Ne2-g3 Nf6-h7 Bf1-d3 b7-b6 Nd2-c4 Be7-g5 Bc1-e3 O-O Qd1-f3 Bg5-h4 Qf3-g2 Nc7-e8 c2-c3 Bc8-d7 Ng3-f5 Bd7xf5 g4xf5 Kg8-h8 Ke1-d2 Bh4-g5 h3-h4 Bg5xe3+ Nc4xe3 Ne8-f6 Ra1-g1 Nf6-h5 f2-f3 a7-a6 b2-b3
44/52- 16:05 6,928,563k 7,179k +1.62 e2-e4 Ng8-f6
44/55- 23:10 9,943,976k 7,150k +1.54 e2-e4 Ng8-f6
44/56+ 24:57 10,704,512k 7,147k +1.62 e2-e4
44/56 25:11 10,804,424k 7,147k +1.54 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 Ng1-e2 d7-d6 a2-a4 Nb8-a6 h2-h3 Na6-c7 g2-g4 g7-g6 Ne2-c3 a7-a6 Nd2-c4 Ra8-b8 g4-g5 Nf6-h5 h3-h4 O-O Nc4-b6 Nc7-e8 a4-a5 f7-f6 Bf1-e2 Ne8-g7 Rh1-g1 f6xg5 h4xg5 Nh5-f4 Be2-g4 Be7xg5 Nb6xc8 Qd8-f6 Bc1xf4 Qf6xf4 Rg1-g2 Bg5-h4 Qd1-d3 Rb8xc8 Bg4xc8 Rf8xc8 Nc3-e2 Qf4-f6 O-O-O Bh4xf2 Rd1-h1 Rc8-f8
45/58+ 27:07 11,632,965k 7,148k +1.62 e2-e4
45/63- 35:24 15,206,550k 7,158k +1.46 e2-e4 d7-d6
45/63+ 35:34 15,278,701k 7,158k +1.58 e2-e4
45/63 43:41 18,782,968k 7,164k +1.44 e2-e4 d7-d6 a2-a4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 h2-h3 Nb8-a6 Bf1-d3 O-O Ng1-e2 Nf6-e8 c2-c3 Na6-c7 Nd2-f3 Bc8-d7 g2-g4 g7-g6 Ne2-g3 Ne8-g7 Qd1-c2 Kg8-h8 Bc1-h6 Ra8-b8 c3-c4 Nc7-a6 Qc2-d2 Na6-b4 Bd3-b1 a7-a6 a4-a5 b7-b5 a5xb6/ep Qd8xb6 Ke1-f1 a6-a5 b2-b3 f7-f6 Ra1-a3 a5-a4 b3xa4 Qb6-a6 Kf1-g2 Qa6xc4
46/53+ 47:35 20,442,034k 7,158k +1.52 e2-e4
46/53+ 47:39 20,465,889k 7,158k +1.60 e2-e4
46/53 48:33 20,848,043k 7,157k +1.46 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 d7-d6 a2-a4 Bf8-e7 Ng1-e2 Nb8-a6 h2-h3 Na6-c7 g2-g4 g7-g6 Ne2-c3 a7-a6 Nd2-c4 Ra8-b8 g4-g5 Nf6-h5 h3-h4 O-O Nc4-b6 Nc7-e8 a4-a5 f7-f6 Bf1-e2 Ne8-g7 Rh1-g1 f6-f5 Bc1-e3 f5xe4 Nc3xe4 Bc8-f5 Ne4-g3 Nh5-f4 Qd1-d2 Nf4xe2 Qd2xe2 Qd8-e8 b2-b3 Ng7-h5 Ng3xh5 g6xh5 f2-f3 e5-e4 f3xe4 Bf5xe4 O-O-O
47/57+ 50:58 21,883,127k 7,154k +1.54 e2-e4
47/57+ 54:11 23,253,422k 7,152k +1.62 e2-e4
47/61 56:28 24,228,314k 7,151k +1.45 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 d7-d6 a2-a4 Bf8-e7 Ng1-e2 Nb8-a6 Ne2-g3 Na6-c7 Bf1-d3 h7-h5 Nd2-c4 h5-h4 Ng3-f1 Nf6-h5 Bd3-e2 Nh5-f4 Bc1xf4 e5xf4 Nf1-d2 O-O Be2-d3 Ra8-b8 O-O g7-g6 h2-h3 b7-b6 c2-c3 Kg8-g7 Rf1-e1 Be7-f6 Nd2-f3 Nc7-e8 Qd1-d2 g6-g5 Ra1-d1 Rf8-g8 e4-e5 d6xe5 Nf3xe5 Qd8xd5 Qd2-c2 Qd5-e6 b2-b4 c5xb4
48/3+ 56:44 24,343,504k 7,151k +1.53 e2-e4
48/62+ 1:23:00 35,256,766k 7,079k +1.62 e2-e4
48/62 1:24:32 35,856,443k 7,069k +1.53 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 d7-d6 h2-h3 Nb8-a6 Bf1-d3 O-O Ng1-e2 Nf6-e8 g2-g4 Na6-b4 Bd3-c4 g7-g6 Nd2-f3 f7-f5 e4xf5 g6xf5 c2-c3 f5xg4 Nf3-h2 Be7-h4 Bc1-e3 Qd8-f6 Rh1-f1 Nb4-a6 h3xg4 Qf6-e7 Rf1-g1 Kg8-h8 Ne2-g3 Na6-c7 Qd1-e2 Ne8-f6 O-O-O Rf8-g8 Ng3-f5 Bc8xf5 g4xf5 Rg8xg1 Rd1xg1 Qe7-d7 Nh2-f3 Qd7xa4 Kc1-b1 b7-b5 Nf3-g5 Bh4xg5 Be3xg5
49/63- 1:41:48 42,959,600k 7,033k +1.45 e2-e4 Ng8-f6
49/63+ 1:42:30 43,258,353k 7,034k +1.53 e2-e4
49/63 1:46:29 44,929,307k 7,032k +1.55 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 d7-d6 Bf1-d3 O-O Ng1-e2 Nf6-e8 h2-h3 g7-g6 g2-g4 Nb8-a6 Nd2-c4 Be7-h4 c2-c3 Na6-c7 Ne2-g3 Ne8-g7 O-O b7-b6 Nc4-e3 Bh4-g5 Ne3-g2 Nc7-e8 Bc1-d2 h7-h5 f2-f3 Qd8-e7 Qd1-c1 Bg5xd2 Qc1xd2 Kg8-h7 Ng2-e3 Ne8-f6 Qd2-f2 Nf6-d7 a4-a5 Qe7-g5 a5xb6 Nd7xb6 f3-f4 e5xf4 Qf2xf4 Qg5xf4 Rf1xf4 h5xg4 h3xg4
50/18- 2:07:16 53,762,729k 7,040k +1.47 e2-e4 Ng8-f6
50/57+ 2:08:50 54,434,924k 7,042k +1.55 e2-e4
50/57 2:10:10 55,013,209k 7,044k +1.59 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 a2-a4 d7-d6 Bf1-d3 O-O Ng1-e2 Nf6-e8 h2-h3 Nb8-a6 c2-c3 Na6-c7 g2-g4 g7-g6 Ne2-g3 Ne8-g7 Nd2-c4 Be7-h4 O-O b7-b6 Bc1-h6 f7-f6 Qd1-e2 Nc7-e8 Nc4-e3 Ra8-b8 b2-b4 Bh4-g5 Bh6xg5 f6xg5 a4-a5 Ne8-f6 a5xb6 a7xb6 Ra1-a7 h7-h5 Rf1-a1 Rb8-b7 Ra7xb7 Bc8xb7 Ra1-a7 Bb7-c8 Qe2-d2 Rf8-f7 Ra7-a8 Rf7-f8 Bd3-b5 Nf6-h7 b4xc5
51/62- 2:26:02 61,895,588k 7,064k +1.50 e2-e4 Ng8-f6
51/62+ 2:30:39 63,915,356k 7,070k +1.59 e2-e4
51/62 2:34:39 65,622,372k 7,072k +1.50 e2-e4 Ng8-f6 Nb1-d2 d7-d6 Bf1-d3 Bf8-e7 Ng1-e2 O-O a2-a4 Nf6-e8 h2-h3 Be7-g5 g2-g4 Nb8-a6 Nd2-f1 Bg5xc1 Qd1xc1 Na6-c7 Nf1-e3 Bc8-d7 Qc1-d2 b7-b5 a4xb5 Nc7xb5 Qd2-a5 Ne8-c7 c2-c3 a7-a6 Ne2-g3 Qd8-h4 Ke1-f1 Qh4-d8 h3-h4 Ra8-b8 Kf1-g2 g7-g6 b2-b3 Kg8-h8 f2-f3 Rb8-b7 Kg2-f2 Rb7-b8 g4-g5 h7-h5 g5xh6/ep
Peter Berger
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Re: what is the most popular losing opening?

Post by Peter Berger »

Uri Blass wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:14 am possible candidate is the opening 1.d4 c5 2.d5 e5

I do not know if white is winning but stockfish gives more than +1.5 for white

It is possible to check by engine-engine games if white is winning.

If somebody can rank positions in the opening based on popularity and play engine-engine games we may find the most popular line when stockfish-stockfish game is not a draw.
I have a hard time believing 1. d4 c5 2. d5 e5 could be a win for white. A forced win isn't availlable as far as I can see, and the structural advantage for white seems too little to me.
I +do+ think that 1.d4 d5 2. c4 Bf5 could be a win for white though, or more like a 0.75 for white.
I used to play this with black and knew the lines very well. One day I played an old-aged IM in the league, the game went like 1. d4 d5 2. c4 Bf5 3. Nf3 e6 4. Nc3 c6 5. Qb3 - he even went like e3 in one of the next moves. To some extent this is a dreamline for black - a Slav with the bishop out, what better could you dream of? I felt pretty confident but lost the game eventually. In the post-mortem I was looking for my tactical mistakes in my good position.
My opponent was gracious and took some time to explain the mistakes in my reasoning as he saw I was genuine - so a free chess lesson for me, an impressive one I may add. He made the point that I can reach my "ideal" setup, but then there is nothing much else I can do while he has lots of additional useful moves he can make. I later checked his comments with engines of that time, I came to the conclusion that he was right and gave up on 2. .. Bf5. This +=/+ over - can be too much to overcome.
These days Stockfish teaches us similar lessons, but it can't tell its reasoning quite as well.
I an a little German computerchess board, someone made the point that the Caro may be a win for white based on high Stockfish evaluations. While this may even be true for the Nd7 lines, I can't believe this to be true for the Bf5 ones. You just have to go along with Stockfish suggestions for a little longer to realize that its evaluation will drop heavily eventually and humans were right.
But how to tell the difference when it is not just about tactics? Spending time helps some, but I wouldn't rule out that Stockfish in fact has killed +many+ more openings than most think possible.
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Re: what is the most popular losing opening?

Post by Uri Blass »

1)For the caro the question is what is the relevant position.
It does not seem stockfish evaluates 1.e4 c6 as a big advantage for white.

2)1.g4 is considered a forced win for black and stockfish does not see more than a score near +1.5 for black even after a long analysis so scores like 1.5 are scores to suspect a win.


FEN: rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/6P1/8/PPPPPP1P/RNBQKBNR b KQkq g3 0 1

Stockfish_21061411_x64_avx2:
NNUE evaluation using nn-8e47cf062333.nnue enabled
1/1 00:00 152 152k +3.32 d7-d5
2/2 00:00 355 355k +2.10 d7-d5 e2-e3
3/3 00:00 658 658k +2.19 d7-d5 g4-g5 e7-e5
4/4 00:00 1k 1,042k +2.18 d7-d5 g4-g5 e7-e5 d2-d3
5/5 00:00 2k 1,917k +2.45 e7-e5 Nb1-c3 d7-d5 Bf1-g2
6/6 00:00 3k 3,030k +2.45 e7-e5 Nb1-c3 d7-d5 Bf1-g2 d5-d4 Nc3-a4
7/7 00:00 7k 7,337k +2.31 d7-d5 e2-e3 e7-e5 d2-d3 Nb8-c6 Nb1-c3
8/9 00:00 26k 6,390k +1.70 d7-d5 e2-e3 e7-e5 d2-d4 Nb8-c6 Nb1-c3 Bf8-b4 Bc1-d2 e5xd4
9/13 00:00 38k 6,344k +1.66 d7-d5 e2-e3 Nb8-c6 Nb1-c3 h7-h5 g4xh5 d5-d4 Nc3-e4 d4xe3 d2xe3 Qd8xd1+ Ke1xd1 Rh8xh5
10/14 00:00 77k 7,031k +1.71 d7-d5 e2-e3 e7-e5 d2-d4 Nb8-c6 Nb1-c3 Bc8-e6 Bf1-g2 e5-e4
11/17 00:00 130k 7,245k +1.67 d7-d5 e2-e3 h7-h5 g4-g5 e7-e5 d2-d4 Nb8-c6 d4xe5 Bc8-g4 f2-f3 Qd8xg5
12/14 00:00 165k 6,876k +1.66 d7-d5 e2-e3 Nb8-c6 Nb1-c3 h7-h5 g4-g5 e7-e5 d2-d4 e5-e4 h2-h4 Bc8-g4 f2-f3 e4xf3
13/19 00:00 249k 6,923k +1.88 d7-d5 e2-e3 e7-e5 Nb1-c3 Nb8-c6 d2-d4 h7-h5 g4xh5 Ng8-f6 d4xe5 Nc6xe5
14/22 00:00 648k 7,123k +1.66 d7-d5 e2-e3 Nb8-c6 d2-d4 e7-e5 d4xe5 Nc6xe5 h2-h3 h7-h5 Nb1-c3 h5xg4 Qd1xd5 Qd8xd5 Nc3xd5 Bf8-d6 Bf1-g2 c7-c6 Nd5-f4 Ng8-f6 h3xg4 Rh8xh1 Bg2xh1
15/20 00:00 930k 7,384k +1.54 d7-d5 Bf1-g2 Nb8-c6 c2-c4 d5-d4 b2-b4 Bc8xg4 b4-b5 Nc6-e5 Bg2xb7 Ra8-b8 Ng1-f3 Bg4xf3 Bb7xf3 Ne5xf3+ e2xf3
16/25 00:00 1,203k 7,521k +1.68 d7-d5 e2-e3 Nb8-c6 d2-d4 e7-e5 d4xe5 Nc6xe5 h2-h3 h7-h5 Nb1-c3 Bc8-e6 Ng1-f3 Ne5xf3+ Qd1xf3 h5xg4 h3xg4 Be6xg4
17/26 00:00 2,425k 7,698k +1.78 d7-d5 Bf1-g2 Nb8-c6 c2-c4 d5-d4 Bg2xc6+ b7xc6 Ng1-f3 f7-f6 g4-g5 e7-e5 d2-d3 a7-a5 e2-e3 Ng8-e7 e3xd4 e5xd4 g5xf6 g7xf6 Nb1-d2
18/30 00:00 3,545k 7,723k +1.71 d7-d5 h2-h3 h7-h5 g4xh5 e7-e5 d2-d4 e5xd4 Qd1xd4 Rh8xh5 Ng1-f3 c7-c5 Qd4-a4+ Nb8-c6 Nb1-c3 Bc8-d7 Bc1-f4 d5-d4 Nc3-b5
19/27 00:00 4,769k 7,806k +1.81 d7-d5 e2-e3 h7-h5 g4-g5 e7-e5 d2-d4 Bc8-g4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 h2-h4 Nb8-c6 Nb1-c3 Bf8-d6 Ng1-e2 Ng8-e7 d4xe5 Bd6xe5 Bc1-d2 Ne7-f5 f3-f4 Be5xc3 Bd2xc3 Nf5xe3 Qd1-d3
20/31 00:01 7,931k 7,853k +1.55 d7-d5 e2-e3 h7-h5 g4-g5 e7-e5 d2-d4 Bc8-g4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 h2-h4 Nb8-c6 Nb1-c3 Bf8-d6 d4xe5 Bd6xe5 Ng1-e2 Ng8-e7 Bc1-d2 d5-d4 e3xd4 Nc6xd4
21/35 00:01 9,034k 7,855k +1.61 d7-d5 e2-e3 h7-h5 g4-g5 e7-e5 d2-d4 Bc8-g4 f2-f3 Bg4-f5 h2-h4 e5xd4 e3xd4 Bf8-d6 Bc1-e3 Ng8-e7 Qd1-d2 O-O Nb1-c3 Rf8-e8 O-O-O
22/35 00:03 23,461k 7,585k +1.56 d7-d5 e2-e3 e7-e5 d2-d4 e5xd4 e3xd4 Qd8-e7+ Ng1-e2 Bc8xg4 Rh1-g1 Ng8-f6 Nb1-c3 Bg4-e6 Ne2-f4 g7-g6 Bc1-e3 Bf8-g7 Qd1-f3 Nb8-c6 O-O-O O-O-O Rg1-g5 Rh8-e8 Bf1-g2
23/34 00:03 26,071k 7,544k +1.53 d7-d5 e2-e3 h7-h5 g4-g5 e7-e5 d2-d4 Bc8-g4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 f3-f4 e5xd4 e3xd4 Ng8-e7 Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 c2-c3 Qd8-d7 Nb1-d2 Ne7-g6 Nf3-e5 Nc6xe5 f4xe5 Be6-f5 Nd2-f3 f7-f6 g5xf6 g7xf6 e5xf6 O-O-O Nf3-g5
24/34- 00:03 27,963k 7,533k +1.45 d7-d5 e2-e3
24/36 00:03 29,310k 7,502k +1.44 d7-d5 e2-e3 e7-e5 d2-d4 e5xd4 e3xd4 Qd8-e7+ Bc1-e3 Qe7-e4 Ng1-f3 Bc8xg4 Bf1-e2 Nb8-c6 Rh1-g1 g7-g6 Nb1-d2 Qe4-e6 c2-c4 Ng8-f6 Nf3-g5 Bg4xe2 Ng5xe6 Be2xd1 Ne6xc7+ Ke8-d7 Nc7xd5 Nf6xd5 c4xd5 Bd1-a4 d5xc6+ Ba4xc6
25/40+ 00:04 30,534k 7,469k +1.52 d7-d5
25/40 00:04 31,211k 7,460k +1.52 d7-d5 e2-e3 e7-e5 d2-d4 e5xd4 e3xd4 Qd8-e7+ Bc1-e3 Qe7-e4 Ng1-f3 Bc8xg4 Nb1-d2 Qe4-e6 Rh1-g1 Nb8-c6 Nf3-g5 Qe6xe3+ f2xe3 Bg4xd1 Ke1xd1 g7-g6 c2-c3 Bf8-h6 e3-e4 Bh6xg5 Rg1xg5 d5xe4 Nd2xe4 f7-f5
26/38- 00:05 40,102k 7,403k +1.44 d7-d5 e2-e3
26/38+ 00:06 48,630k 7,357k +1.52 d7-d5
26/38 00:07 56,664k 7,328k +1.60 d7-d5 e2-e3 e7-e5 Nb1-c3 d5-d4 e3xd4 e5xd4 Nc3-e4 Nb8-c6 d2-d3 Ng8-f6 Ne4xf6+ Qd8xf6 Bf1-g2 Bf8-d6 Qd1-e2+ Bc8-e6 Ng1-f3 h7-h6 Nf3-d2 O-O-O Nd2-e4 Qf6-g6 Ne4xd6+ Rd8xd6 Bc1-f4 Be6xg4
27/34- 00:08 59,181k 7,323k +1.52 d7-d5 e2-e3
27/34 00:09 66,345k 7,313k +1.53 d7-d5 e2-e3 h7-h5 g4xh5 Ng8-f6 d2-d4 c7-c5 c2-c4 c5xd4 e3xd4 Bc8-g4 Bf1-e2 Bg4xh5 c4xd5 Bh5xe2 Ng1xe2 Qd8xd5 Rh1-g1 Rh8xh2 Nb1-c3 Qd5-f3 Qd1-a4+ Nb8-d7 Bc1-e3 Nf6-g4 Rg1-g3 Qf3-f5 O-O-O Ng4xf2 Be3xf2 Rh2xf2
28/44- 00:10 75,628k 7,277k +1.45 d7-d5 e2-e3
28/44+ 00:11 86,224k 7,268k +1.53 d7-d5
28/44- 00:13 96,366k 7,260k +1.37 d7-d5 e2-e3
28/44+ 00:14 103,987k 7,261k +1.51 d7-d5
28/44 00:14 106,838k 7,255k +1.49 d7-d5 e2-e3 h7-h5 g4xh5 Nb8-c6 d2-d4 Ng8-f6 Ng1-f3 Bc8-g4 Bf1-e2 Bg4xh5 Nb1-d2 Qd8-d6 b2-b4 Nf6-e4 Nd2xe4 d5xe4 Nf3-d2 Bh5xe2 Qd1xe2 Nc6xb4 Ra1-b1 e7-e6 Qe2-b5+ c7-c6 Qb5xb7 Ra8-b8 Qb7xa7 Rh8xh2 Rh1-g1 Nb4xc2+ Ke1-e2 Rb8xb1
29/39 00:20 145,927k 7,234k +1.49 d7-d5 e2-e3 h7-h5 g4xh5 Ng8-f6 d2-d4 Bc8-g4 Bf1-e2 Bg4xh5 Be2xh5 Rh8xh5 Bc1-d2 Nb8-c6 Nb1-c3 e7-e5 Qd1-e2 Qd8-d7 d4xe5 Nc6xe5 Ng1-f3 Ne5-c4 O-O-O O-O-O Bd2-e1 g7-g6 h2-h4 c7-c6 Nf3-d2 Nc4xd2 Be1xd2 Qd7-e6
30/37+ 00:22 159,991k 7,220k +1.57 d7-d5
30/41+ 00:26 189,971k 7,204k +1.65 d7-d5
30/44 00:30 219,748k 7,201k +1.68 d7-d5 e2-e3 Nb8-c6 d2-d4 e7-e5 Nb1-c3 Bc8-e6 d4xe5 Nc6xe5 h2-h3 h7-h5 Ng1-f3 Ne5xf3+ Qd1xf3 h5xg4 h3xg4 Be6xg4 Qf3-g2 Rh8xh1 Qg2xh1 Ng8-e7 Bc1-d2 Qd8-d7 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 Nc3-e2 Ne7-f5 O-O-O O-O-O Bf1-h3 Qd7-a4 Kc1-b1 Qa4-a6 Bh3xf5 Qa6xe2 Bf5xe6+ f7xe6
31/35- 00:35 251,598k 7,143k +1.60 d7-d5 e2-e3
31/38- 00:36 261,655k 7,131k +1.51 d7-d5 e2-e3
31/42+ 00:44 315,842k 7,047k +1.60 d7-d5
31/42- 00:45 321,511k 7,025k +1.39 d7-d5 e2-e3
31/42+ 00:51 362,591k 6,986k +1.58 d7-d5
31/51 00:54 382,088k 6,996k +1.55 d7-d5 e2-e3 Nb8-c6 d2-d4 e7-e5 Nb1-c3 Bc8-e6 d4xe5 Nc6xe5 h2-h3 h7-h5 g4xh5 Ng8-f6 Ng1-f3 Rh8xh5 Nf3xe5 Rh5xe5 Qd1-d4 Bf8-d6 Bf1-e2 c7-c5 Qd4-h4 g7-g5 Qh4-h8+ Ke8-e7 Qh8xd8+ Ra8xd8 b2-b4 Re5-f5 b4xc5 Bd6-e5 Bc1-d2 d5-d4 e3xd4 Be5xd4 O-O-O Bd4xc5
32/43- 01:03 445,990k 7,023k +1.47 d7-d5 e2-e3
32/43 01:05 462,572k 7,019k +1.54 d7-d5 e2-e3 Nb8-c6 Nb1-c3 h7-h5 g4xh5 Ng8-f6 d2-d4 Bc8-f5 Ng1-f3 e7-e6 Bc1-d2 Rh8xh5 h2-h4 Bf8-d6 Bf1-d3 Bf5-g4 Bd3-e2 Qd8-d7 Nf3-g5 Bg4xe2 Qd1xe2 O-O-O Ng5-f3 Rd8-h8 O-O-O e6-e5 d4xe5 Nc6xe5 e3-e4 Nf6xe4 Nc3xe4 d5xe4 Nf3-g5 e4-e3 Bd2xe3
33/42+ 01:13 515,997k 7,030k +1.62 d7-d5
33/46 01:24 599,926k 7,061k +1.68 d7-d5 e2-e3 Nb8-c6 d2-d4 e7-e5 Nb1-c3 Bc8-e6 d4xe5 Nc6xe5 h2-h3 h7-h5 g4xh5 Ng8-f6 Ng1-f3 Rh8xh5 Nf3xe5 Rh5xe5 Qd1-d4 Bf8-d6 Nc3-b5 Re5-e4 Qd4-d3 Bd6-c5 Bc1-d2 a7-a6 Nb5-c3 Re4-e5 O-O-O Be6-f5 Qd3-e2 d5-d4 Nc3-a4 Qd8-d5 Na4xc5 Qd5xa2 Nc5-b3 d4-d3 c2xd3 Qa2xb3 Bd2-c3
34/46- 01:27 619,011k 7,065k +1.60 d7-d5 e2-e3
34/50+ 01:58 831,981k 7,042k +1.68 d7-d5
34/50- 01:58 835,365k 7,042k +1.52 d7-d5 e2-e3
34/50+ 02:03 867,891k 7,042k +1.66 d7-d5
34/50 02:06 893,471k 7,047k +1.47 d7-d5 e2-e3 e7-e5 d2-d4 Nb8-c6 Nb1-c3 Bc8-e6 d4xe5 Nc6xe5 Bf1-e2 c7-c6 Qd1-d4 Bf8-d6 Ng1-f3 Qd8-f6 Nf3xe5 Bd6xe5 Qd4-b4 Ng8-e7 Bc1-d2 a7-a5 Qb4-c5 h7-h5 g4xh5 Qf6-h4 Rh1-g1 Qh4-b4 Qc5xb4 a5xb4 Nc3-d1 c6-c5 c2-c3 b4-b3 a2-a4 c5-c4 f2-f4 Be5-f6 Nd1-f2 Ne7-f5 e3-e4 d5xe4 Nf2xe4
35/46+ 02:13 938,162k 7,050k +1.55 d7-d5
35/53+ 02:21 993,396k 7,036k +1.63 d7-d5
35/53 02:29 1,050,510k 7,034k +1.46 d7-d5 e2-e3 Nb8-c6 d2-d4 e7-e5 Nb1-c3 Bc8-e6 d4xe5 Nc6xe5 Bf1-e2 Ng8-f6 h2-h3 Bf8-d6 f2-f4 Ne5-c6 Ng1-f3 h7-h5 g4-g5 Nf6-e4 Nf3-d4 Nc6xd4 Qd1xd4 Ne4-g3 Qd4xg7 Ke8-d7 e3-e4 Ng3xh1 f4-f5 Qd8-e7 Bc1-e3 Nh1-g3 f5xe6+ f7xe6 Qg7-d4 c7-c6 Be2-d3 e6-e5 Qd4-a4 d5-d4 Nc3-d5 Qe7-e6 Nd5-f6+ Kd7-c7
36/47+ 02:43 1,153,202k 7,040k +1.54 d7-d5
36/52- 02:55 1,232,950k 7,040k +1.37 d7-d5 g4-g5
36/52+ 02:55 1,234,825k 7,040k +1.50 d7-d5
36/53- 03:25 1,452,453k 7,055k +1.25 d7-d5 g4-g5
36/53+ 03:34 1,512,812k 7,055k +1.46 d7-d5
36/55 03:38 1,544,566k 7,057k +1.29 d7-d5 g4-g5 e7-e5 d2-d4 e5xd4 Ng1-f3 c7-c5 c2-c3 d4xc3 Nb1xc3 Ng8-e7 Bf1-g2 Nb8-c6 O-O Bc8-e6 Qd1-c2 Qd8-d7 Rf1-d1 Ra8-d8 a2-a3 d5-d4 Nc3-e4 Ne7-g6 h2-h4 Be6-f5 h4-h5 Qd7-d5 h5xg6 Bf5xe4 g6xf7+ Ke8-e7 Qc2-d2 Ke7xf7 b2-b4 Kf7-e8 b4xc5 Bf8xc5 Qd2-f4 Rh8-f8 Qf4-g4 Qd5-f5 Qg4-g3 Bc5-d6 Qg3-h4 Qf5-g6 Rd1-e1 Nc6-e7 Bc1-b2 Rf8-f4
37/43+ 03:47 1,600,607k 7,046k +1.37 d7-d5
37/52- 04:16 1,801,673k 7,019k +1.21 d7-d5 g4-g5
37/52+ 04:18 1,815,309k 7,020k +1.33 d7-d5
37/52 04:39 1,962,170k 7,031k +1.19 d7-d5 g4-g5 e7-e5 d2-d4 e5xd4 Ng1-f3 c7-c5 c2-c3 d4xc3 Nb1xc3 Ng8-e7 Bf1-g2 Nb8-c6 O-O Bc8-e6 Bc1-f4 Ra8-c8 Ra1-c1 Ne7-g6 Bf4-g3 h7-h6 g5xh6 Rh8xh6 e2-e4 d5-d4 Nc3-d5 b7-b6 b2-b4 Bf8-d6 b4xc5 b6xc5 Qd1-c2 Nc6-e7 Nf3-g5 Be6xd5 e4xd5 Ng6-f4 Ng5-e4 Nf4xg2 Ne4xd6+ Rh6xd6
38/52+ 04:45 2,010,964k 7,035k +1.27 d7-d5
38/52+ 04:52 2,056,068k 7,037k +1.35 d7-d5
38/52 04:55 2,082,541k 7,040k +1.35 d7-d5 g4-g5 e7-e5 d2-d4 e5xd4 Ng1-f3 c7-c5 c2-c3 Nb8-c6 c3xd4 c5xd4 Nf3xd4 Bf8-c5 Nd4-f3 Ng8-e7 Bf1-g2 Bc8-g4 Nb1-c3 Qd8-d7 h2-h3 Bg4-e6 h3-h4 O-O h4-h5 Rf8-e8 h5-h6 Ra8-d8 h6xg7 Be6-f5 Ke1-f1 d5-d4 Nc3-a4 Bc5-b4 a2-a3 Bb4-d6 Nf3xd4
39/41+ 05:45 2,410,216k 6,968k +1.43 d7-d5
39/47+ 06:06 2,545,294k 6,948k +1.51 d7-d5
39/51+ 06:35 2,748,859k 6,949k +1.63 d7-d5
39/54 06:39 2,774,691k 6,952k +1.54 d7-d5 g4-g5 e7-e5 d2-d4 e5xd4 Ng1-f3 c7-c5 c2-c3 d4xc3 Nb1xc3 Ng8-e7 Bf1-g2 Nb8-c6 O-O Bc8-e6 Bc1-f4 Ne7-g6 Bf4-g3 h7-h5 Qd1-a4 d5-d4 Nc3-b5 Ra8-c8 h2-h4 Qd8-d7 Ra1-d1 Bf8-e7 e2-e3 a7-a6 Nb5-c3 d4-d3 Nf3-e1 c5-c4 b2-b3 b7-b5 Qa4xa6 Nc6-b4 Qa6xb5 Qd7xb5 Nc3xb5 c4-c3 Ne1xd3 c3-c2 Nb5-c7+ Rc8xc7 Bg3xc7 c2xd1Q Rf1xd1
40/54- 06:43 2,808,032k 6,955k +1.46 d7-d5 g4-g5
40/54+ 08:44 3,621,970k 6,900k +1.54 d7-d5
40/66- 10:01 4,160,495k 6,919k +1.37 d7-d5 h2-h3
40/66+ 10:03 4,173,265k 6,919k +1.52 d7-d5
40/66 11:12 4,621,771k 6,876k +1.64 d7-d5 h2-h3 h7-h5 g4xh5 e7-e5 c2-c3 Qd8-h4 d2-d3 Nb8-c6 Ng1-f3 Qh4xh5 e2-e4 d5xe4 d3xe4 Bc8-g4 Bf1-g2 Ng8-f6 Qd1-d3 Bg4-d7 Bc1-g5 Bd7-e6 Qd3-b5 O-O-O Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 Qb5-e2 Kc8-b8 Qe2-e3 Nf6-h7 Bg5xe7 Nc6xe7 Bg2-f1 f7-f6 Rh1-g1 Qh5-f7 O-O-O g7-g5 Bf1-e2
41/54- 12:45 5,241,892k 6,850k +1.56 d7-d5 h2-h3
41/54+ 16:30 6,802,880k 6,865k +1.64 d7-d5
41/56- 16:32 6,813,180k 6,866k +1.48 d7-d5 g4-g5
41/56 16:35 6,838,360k 6,867k +1.41 d7-d5 g4-g5 e7-e5 d2-d4 e5xd4 Ng1-f3 c7-c5 Bf1-g2 Ng8-e7 c2-c3 d4xc3 Nb1xc3 Nb8-c6 O-O d5-d4 Nc3-e4 Ne7-g6 a2-a3 Bc8-g4 b2-b4 c5xb4 h2-h3 Bg4xf3 e2xf3 Bf8-e7 f3-f4 Ng6-h4 a3xb4 Be7xb4 Bg2-h1 Nh4-f5 Qd1-g4 Qd8-c8 Kg1-h2 a7-a5 Bc1-a3 Bb4xa3 Ra1xa3 Nc6-e7 Rf1-b1 O-O Rb1-b5 Qc8-c1 Ra3-a4 Nf5-e3 Qg4-e2 Ne3-d5 Qe2-g4 Qc1xf4+ Qg4xf4 Nd5xf4 Ra4xd4
42/56+ 16:50 6,935,574k 6,861k +1.50 d7-d5
42/56+ 16:56 6,969,567k 6,859k +1.58 d7-d5
42/56 16:59 6,990,209k 6,857k +1.46 d7-d5 g4-g5 e7-e5 d2-d4 e5xd4 Ng1-f3 c7-c5 Bf1-g2 Ng8-e7 c2-c3 d4xc3 Nb1xc3 Nb8-c6 O-O d5-d4 Nc3-e4 Ne7-g6 Qd1-c2 Nc6-b4 Qc2-b1 Bf8-e7 h2-h4 Bc8-g4 Ne4-g3 O-O h4-h5 Bg4xf3 Bg2xf3 Ng6-h4 Bf3xb7 d4-d3 Bb7-e4 d3xe2 Rf1-e1 Nb4-d3 Re1xe2 c5-c4 h5-h6 Ra8-c8 b2-b3 Be7xg5 b3xc4 Nd3xc1 Be4xh7+ Kg8-h8 h6xg7+ Kh8xg7
43/54+ 17:05 7,031,715k 6,855k +1.54 d7-d5
43/54+ 17:39 7,251,893k 6,844k +1.62 d7-d5
43/62- 19:54 8,191,085k 6,856k +1.37 d7-d5 g4-g5
43/62+ 20:42 8,498,033k 6,842k +1.56 d7-d5
43/62 21:45 8,913,308k 6,827k +1.50 d7-d5 g4-g5 e7-e5 d2-d4 e5xd4 Ng1-f3 c7-c5 Bf1-g2 Ng8-e7 c2-c3 d4xc3 Nb1xc3 Nb8-c6 O-O d5-d4 Nc3-e4 Ne7-g6 a2-a3 Bc8-g4 b2-b4 c5xb4 h2-h3 Bg4xf3 e2xf3 Bf8-e7 f3-f4 Qd8-d7 a3xb4 Be7xb4 Ne4-g3 O-O f4-f5 Ng6-e5 Qd1-h5 d4-d3 f5-f6 Rf8-e8 f6xg7 Ne5-g6 Bc1-e3 Nc6-d4 Ra1-d1 Ra8-d8 Rd1xd3 Nd4-e2+ Qh5xe2 Qd7xd3 Qe2-g4 Re8xe3 f2xe3 Qd3xe3+ Kg1-h1 Ng6-e5 Qg4xb4 Qe3xg3 Qb4xb7
44/45+ 23:44 9,710,534k 6,818k +1.58 d7-d5
44/55- 26:10 10,689,023k 6,805k +1.42 d7-d5 g4-g5
44/55+ 26:15 10,718,982k 6,804k +1.54 d7-d5
44/62 31:56 13,031,087k 6,800k +1.69 d7-d5 c2-c4 d5-d4 Bf1-g2 e7-e5 d2-d3 a7-a5 Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 h2-h3 Ng8-e7 Nf3-h4 h7-h5 g4-g5 Ne7-g6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 Nd2-e4 O-O Bc1-d2 Kg8-h7 O-O Bc8-f5 Kg1-h2 Rf8-f7 a2-a3 Qd8-f8 Ne4-g3 Nc6-d8 b2-b4 Bf5-d7 b4xa5 Bd7-c6 Bg2xc6 Nd8xc6 Ng3-e4 Nc6xa5 Ra1-b1 b7-b6 Bd2xa5 Ra8xa5
45/8- 32:40 13,333,421k 6,800k +1.61 d7-d5 c2-c4
45/57- 32:49 13,392,875k 6,799k +1.53 d7-d5 c2-c4
45/57+ 35:37 14,535,915k 6,800k +1.61 d7-d5
45/57 35:50 14,617,959k 6,799k +1.49 d7-d5 c2-c4 d5-d4 Bf1-g2 e7-e5 d2-d3 a7-a5 Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 h2-h3 h7-h5 g4-g5 Ng8-e7 Nf3-h4 Ne7-g6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 Nd2-e4 O-O O-O Bc8-f5 Kg1-h2 Kg8-h7 a2-a3 Qd8-e8 Bc1-d2 a5-a4 b2-b4 a4xb3/ep Qd1xb3 Nc6-d8 a3-a4 Bf5-d7 a4-a5 Bd7-c6 c4-c5 Qe8-d7 Qb3-c4 Nd8-e6 Ra1-b1 Bc6xe4 Bg2xe4 Ne6xc5 Be4xb7 Nc5xb7 Rb1xb7 Be7-d6
46/54+ 37:00 15,078,453k 6,790k +1.57 d7-d5
46/54+ 38:39 15,745,879k 6,788k +1.65 d7-d5
46/54 39:29 16,101,184k 6,794k +1.44 d7-d5 c2-c4 Bc8xg4 Qd1-b3 e7-e6 Qb3xb7 Nb8-d7 c4xd5 Ra8-b8 Qb7-c6 e6xd5 Qc6xd5 Ng8-f6 Qd5-g2 Bf8-b4 a2-a3 Bb4-d6 e2-e3 O-O Ng1-f3 Rf8-e8 Bf1-e2 c7-c5 Nb1-c3 Nd7-f8 Nc3-d5 Bg4-c8 Nd5xf6+ Qd8xf6 Qg2-g5 Qf6-e6 Rh1-g1 Nf8-g6 h2-h4 h7-h6 Qg5-g2 Qe6-f6 h4-h5 Ng6-e5 Nf3xe5 Bd6xe5 f2-f4 Qf6-h4+ Ke1-d1
47/54+ 47:00 19,178,659k 6,800k +1.52 d7-d5
47/57+ 49:44 20,362,011k 6,824k +1.61 d7-d5
47/62 53:59 22,201,824k 6,854k +1.54 d7-d5 g4-g5 e7-e5 d2-d4 e5xd4 Ng1-f3 c7-c5 c2-c3 d4xc3 Nb1xc3 Ng8-e7 Bf1-g2 Nb8-c6 O-O d5-d4 Nc3-e4 Ne7-g6 a2-a3 Bc8-g4 h2-h3 Bg4xf3 e2xf3 Bf8-d6 Ne4xd6+ Qd8xd6 Rf1-e1+ Nc6-e7 f3-f4 O-O Qd1-g4 Ne7-d5 f4-f5 Ng6-f4 Bg2-e4 Ra8-d8 Bc1-d2 g7-g6 h3-h4 Rf8-e8 Ra1-d1 b7-b6 Qg4-f3 c5-c4 Kg1-f1 d4-d3 Qf3-g3 g6xf5 Be4xd5 Re8xe1+ Rd1xe1 Nf4xd5
48/60- 55:34 22,890,681k 6,865k +1.46 d7-d5 g4-g5
48/68+ 1:03:03 26,113,589k 6,903k +1.54 d7-d5
48/68- 1:17:14 32,220,638k 6,953k +1.38 d7-d5 e2-e3
48/68+ 1:17:18 32,252,623k 6,953k +1.52 d7-d5
48/74 1:30:07 37,762,897k 6,983k +1.58 d7-d5 e2-e3 Nb8-c6 d2-d4 e7-e5 Nb1-c3 Bc8-e6 h2-h3 h7-h5 g4xh5 Ng8-f6 Ng1-f3 e5-e4 Nf3-g5 Be6-f5 Bf1-e2 Qd8-d7 Bc1-d2 O-O-O Nc3-a4 g7-g6 c2-c4 Nc6-b4 h5xg6 Bf5xg6 Bd2xb4 Bf8xb4+ Na4-c3 Bg6-h5 h3-h4 Rd8-g8 Ke1-d2 d5xc4 Qd1-f1 Bb4xc3+ b2xc3 Bh5xe2 Qf1xe2 Qd7-d5 Ra1-f1 Kc8-b8 Kd2-c1 a7-a6 Kc1-b2 Rh8-h6 f2-f3 Rh6-g6 Kb2-a1 Qd5-a5 Qe2xc4 Nf6-d5 Qc4-c5 Qa5xc5 d4xc5 Nd5xe3 Rf1-b1 Ne3-c2+ Ka1-b2
49/60- 1:42:48 43,067,899k 6,981k +1.50 d7-d5 g4-g5
49/64- 1:44:43 43,881,473k 6,983k +1.42 d7-d5 g4-g5
49/65- 1:59:52 50,246,537k 6,986k +1.29 d7-d5 g4-g5
49/65+ 2:01:15 50,850,668k 6,989k +1.39 d7-d5
49/65+ 2:09:24 54,350,888k 7,000k +1.64 d7-d5
49/65 2:16:27 57,346,591k 7,004k +1.59 d7-d5 g4-g5 e7-e5 Bf1-g2 Nb8-c6 d2-d4 e5xd4 Ng1-f3 Bf8-c5 Nb1-d2 Bc5-b6 a2-a4 Ng8-e7 Nd2-b3 Nc6-a5 Nb3xd4 c7-c5 Nd4-b5 O-O O-O a7-a6 Nb5-c3 Rf8-e8 Nf3-h4 d5-d4 Nc3-e4 Ne7-g6 Nh4xg6 h7xg6 Bc1-f4 Bc8-d7 e2-e3 Bd7-c6 Ne4-g3 Qd8-d7 h2-h4 Ra8-d8 h4-h5 Qd7-e6 h5xg6 f7xg6 Bg2xc6 Qe6xc6 Qd1-e2 c5-c4 Ra1-d1 Qc6xa4 Kg1-g2 Qa4-c6+ e3-e4 Qc6-e6 e4-e5 Qe6-d5+ Qe2-e4 Na5-c6 Rf1-e1 Qd5xe4+ Re1xe4
50/64- 2:26:49 61,781,359k 7,013k +1.51 d7-d5 g4-g5
50/64+ 2:30:49 63,499,367k 7,017k +1.59 d7-d5
50/64 2:31:08 63,641,953k 7,018k +1.53 d7-d5 g4-g5 e7-e5 Bf1-g2 Nb8-c6 d2-d4 e5xd4 Ng1-f3 Bf8-c5 Nb1-d2 Ng8-e7 Nd2-b3 Bc5-b6 a2-a4 Nc6-a5 Nb3xd4 c7-c5 Nd4-b5 O-O O-O a7-a6 Nb5-c3 Rf8-e8 Nf3-h4 d5-d4 Nc3-e4 Ne7-g6 Nh4xg6 h7xg6 Bc1-f4 Bc8-d7 e2-e3 Bd7-c6 Ne4-g3 Qd8-d7 h2-h4 Ra8-d8 h4-h5 Qd7-e6 h5xg6 f7xg6 Bg2xc6 Qe6xc6 Qd1-e2 c5-c4 Ra1-d1 Qc6xa4 Kg1-g2 Na5-c6 c2-c3 d4xe3 f2xe3 Nc6-e5 Bf4xe5 Rd8xd1 Qe2xd1 Qa4xd1 Rf1xd1
51/59- 2:52:48 72,971,914k 7,038k +1.45 d7-d5 g4-g5
51/59- 3:02:02 76,949,708k 7,045k +1.37 d7-d5 g4-g5
51/61 3:04:15 77,906,749k 7,047k +1.36 d7-d5 Bf1-g2 Bc8xg4 c2-c4 c7-c6 Qd1-b3 e7-e6 Qb3xb7 Nb8-d7 Nb1-c3 Ng8-e7 c4xd5 e6xd5 d2-d4 Ra8-b8 Qb7-a6 Rb8-b6 Qa6-d3 Ne7-g6 h2-h3 Bg4-e6 Ng1-f3 Bf8-d6 h3-h4 h7-h6 Bg2-h3 Be6xh3 Rh1xh3 O-O h4-h5 Ng6-e7 Rh3-h1 Nd7-f6 b2-b3 Rb6-b7 Bc1-b2 Qd8-a5 Nf3-d2 Rf8-b8 O-O-O Bd6-a3 Nd2-b1 Ba3xb2+ Kc1xb2 c6-c5 d4xc5 Qa5xc5 Qd3-f3 Qc5-b6 Qf3-f4 a7-a5 Qf4-d4 Qb6-c6 Rh1-g1 Nf6xh5 Nc3xd5 Ne7xd5 Qd4xd5
52/21+ 3:11:58 81,233,485k 7,053k +1.44 d7-d5
52/64+ 3:29:34 88,834,699k 7,065k +1.52 d7-d5
52/64 3:37:22 92,198,324k 7,069k +1.45 d7-d5 c2-c4 d5-d4 Bf1-g2 e7-e5 d2-d3 a7-a5 Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 h2-h3 Ng8-e7 Nf3-h4 h7-h5 g4-g5 Ne7-g6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 Nd2-e4 O-O O-O Bc8-f5 Kg1-h2 Kg8-h7 a2-a3 Rf8-f7 Bc1-d2 Qd8-f8 Kh2-g1 Nc6-d8 Ne4-g3 a5-a4 h3-h4 Bf5-d7 b2-b4 a4xb3/ep Qd1xb3 Ra8-b8 a3-a4 Nd8-e6 a4-a5 Ne6-c5 Qb3-a2 Be7-d6 Ng3-e4 Nc5xe4 Bg2xe4 Rf7-f4 Bd2xf4 Qf8xf4 c4-c5 Bd6xc5 Qa2-d5 Qf4-g4+ Kg1-h1
53/62 4:37:56 118,418,020k 7,101k +1.51 d7-d5 c2-c4 d5-d4 Bf1-g2 e7-e5 d2-d3 a7-a5 Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 h2-h3 h7-h5 g4-g5 Ng8-e7 Nf3-h4 Ne7-g6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 Nb1-d2 Bf8-e7 Nd2-e4 O-O O-O Bc8-f5 Kg1-h2 a5-a4 a2-a3 Kg8-h7 b2-b4 a4xb3/ep Qd1xb3 Qd8-c8 a3-a4 Nc6-d8 Qb3-b5 Nd8-f7 a4-a5 c7-c6 Qb5-b2 Nf7-d6 Ne4-g3 Bf5-d7 e2-e3 Nd6-f5 Ra1-b1 Ra8xa5 e3xd4 Nf5xg3 f2xg3 Rf8xf1 Bg2xf1 e5xd4 Qb2xd4 Ra5-a2+ Rb1-b2
54/61- 4:59:54 127,947,856k 7,110k +1.43 d7-d5 Bf1-g2
54/67+ 5:02:21 129,010,166k 7,111k +1.51 d7-d5
54/67- 5:05:56 130,554,186k 7,112k +1.35 d7-d5 Bf1-g2
54/67+ 5:25:18 138,915,067k 7,117k +1.50 d7-d5
54/70 5:47:43 148,636,734k 7,124k +1.44 d7-d5 Bf1-g2 Bc8xg4 c2-c4 c7-c6 Qd1-b3 e7-e6 Qb3xb7 Nb8-d7 Nb1-c3 Ng8-e7 c4xd5 e6xd5 d2-d4 Ra8-b8 Qb7-a6 Rb8-b6 Qa6-d3 Ne7-g6 h2-h3 Bg4-e6 Ng1-f3 Bf8-d6 h3-h4 h7-h6 b2-b3 O-O Bg2-h3 Be6xh3 Rh1xh3 Qd8-c8 Rh3-h1 Bd6-b4 Ke1-f1 Bb4xc3 Qd3xc3 h6-h5 Bc1-g5 Rf8-e8 Ra1-c1 f7-f6 Bg5-e3 Re8-e4 Nf3-e1 Re4xh4 Rh1xh4 Ng6xh4 Qc3-a5 Qc8-b7 Qa5-c3 g7-g5 Ne1-g2 Nh4xg2 Kf1xg2 Nd7-f8 f2-f3 Nf8-e6
55/62+ 5:49:03 149,218,618k 7,125k +1.52 d7-d5
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Re: what is the most popular losing opening?

Post by jdart »

Lots of openings are playable at the club level and some dodgy ones are used occasionally by strong players for surprise value. But computer and correpondence play have made a lot of suboptimal lines very risky. I think the Caro-Kann Advance for example is quite challenging for Black. Same with the Scandinavian. If Black is very well booked up he might be able to steer into a variation where he is not too bad. But there are lines that are virtually losing against a silicon opponent.