My first test with Komodo Dragon Vs Igel 3.0.5

[Chessqueen]

I just tested Komodo Dragon that my friend Jorge E Sammour-Hasbun purchased a few weeks ago, vs Igel 3.0.5 and to tell you the true they are both great program, but Igel 3.-0.5 should go commercial it is so strong using his newer Ryzen Super Computer AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 3970X 32-Core 3.7 - 4.5GHz Turbo, sTRX4, 280W TDP, Processor https://www.avadirect.com/3rd-Gen-AMD-R ... gILGfD_BwE And yes he told me that Komodo Dragon2 MCTS beat him 80% of the times at Time Control 15'+10" with Knight Odds, he is very close to IM Andras rating, or a little bit higher than IM Andras https://ratings.fide.com/profile/5300363


[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Date "2021.06.22"]
[Round "?"]
[White "KomodoDragon"]
[Black "Igel-x64_bmi2_avx2_3_0_5"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "3420"]
[ECO "C20"]
[Opening "Open Game"]
[Time "22:31:53"]
[Variation "1.e4 e5"]
[WhiteElo "3495"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]


1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. O-O e5 8.
Re1 Qc7 9. h3 exd4 10. Nxd4 Re8 11. Bf4 Nbd7 12. Qc2 a6 13. Rad1 Ne5 14.
Qd2 b5 15. Nc2 Be6 16. cxb5 axb5 17. Qxd6 Qxd6 18. Rxd6 Nfd7 19. a3 Rec8
20. Be3 Bf8 21. Rd2 Nc5 22. f4 Nc4 23. Bxc4 Bxc4 24. Bxc5 Bxc5+ 25. Kh2 Bb3
26. e5 Rd8 27. Red1 Be7 28. Rxd8+ Bxd8 29. Rc1 Bb6 30. Ne4 Kf8 31. Nb4 Bc4
32. Rd1 c5 33. Nd5 Rd8 34. Ne3 Rxd1 35. Nxd1 b4 36. Ne3 Be6 37. Nd2 Bc7 38.
axb4 cxb4 39. Kg3 f6 40. Nf3 Bb6 41. Nc2 fxe5 42. Nxb4 exf4+ 43. Kxf4 Bc4
44. Nd2 Bg8 45. Nd3 Bd5 46. Ne4 Bd4 47. g3 Ke7 48. Nef2 Bb7 49. Ng4 Kd6 50.
Kg5 Be4 51. Ngf2 Be3+ 52. Kf6 Bd4+ 53. Kg5 Be3+ 54. Kf6 Bd4+ 55. Kf7 Bd5+
56. Kf8 g5 57. h4 gxh4 58. gxh4 h6[/pgn]

[Chessqueen]

I just tested Komodo Dragon that my friend Jorge E Sammour-Hasbun purchased a few weeks ago, vs Igel 3.0.5 and to tell you the true they are both great program, but Igel 3.-0.5 should go commercial it is so strong using his newer Ryzen Super Computer AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 3970X 32-Core 3.7 - 4.5GHz Turbo, sTRX4, 280W TDP, Processor https://www.avadirect.com/3rd-Gen-AMD-R ... gILGfD_BwE And yes he told me that Komodo Dragon2 MCTS beat him 80% of the times at Time Control 15'+10" with Knight Odds, he is very close to IM Andras rating, or a little bit higher than IM Andras https://ratings.fide.com/profile/5300363


[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Date "2021.06.22"]
[Round "?"]
[White "KomodoDragon"]
[Black "Igel-x64_bmi2_avx2_3_0_5"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "3420"]
[ECO "C20"]
[Opening "Open Game"]
[Time "22:31:53"]
[Variation "1.e4 e5"]
[WhiteElo "3495"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]


1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. O-O e5 8.
Re1 Qc7 9. h3 exd4 10. Nxd4 Re8 11. Bf4 Nbd7 12. Qc2 a6 13. Rad1 Ne5 14.
Qd2 b5 15. Nc2 Be6 16. cxb5 axb5 17. Qxd6 Qxd6 18. Rxd6 Nfd7 19. a3 Rec8
20. Be3 Bf8 21. Rd2 Nc5 22. f4 Nc4 23. Bxc4 Bxc4 24. Bxc5 Bxc5+ 25. Kh2 Bb3
26. e5 Rd8 27. Red1 Be7 28. Rxd8+ Bxd8 29. Rc1 Bb6 30. Ne4 Kf8 31. Nb4 Bc4
32. Rd1 c5 33. Nd5 Rd8 34. Ne3 Rxd1 35. Nxd1 b4 36. Ne3 Be6 37. Nd2 Bc7 38.
axb4 cxb4 39. Kg3 f6 40. Nf3 Bb6 41. Nc2 fxe5 42. Nxb4 exf4+ 43. Kxf4 Bc4
44. Nd2 Bg8 45. Nd3 Bd5 46. Ne4 Bd4 47. g3 Ke7 48. Nef2 Bb7 49. Ng4 Kd6 50.
Kg5 Be4 51. Ngf2 Be3+ 52. Kf6 Bd4+ 53. Kg5 Be3+ 54. Kf6 Bd4+ 55. Kf7 Bd5+
56. Kf8 g5 57. h4 gxh4 58. gxh4 h6[/pgn]

[lkaufman]

I just tested Komodo Dragon that my friend Jorge E Sammour-Hasbun purchased a few weeks ago, vs Igel 3.0.5 and to tell you the true they are both great program, but Igel 3.-0.5 should go commercial it is so strong using his newer Ryzen Super Computer AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 3970X 32-Core 3.7 - 4.5GHz Turbo, sTRX4, 280W TDP, Processor https://www.avadirect.com/3rd-Gen-AMD-R ... gILGfD_BwE And yes he told me that Komodo Dragon2 MCTS beat him 80% of the times at Time Control 15'+10" with Knight Odds, he is very close to IM Andras rating, or a little bit higher than IM Andras https://ratings.fide.com/profile/5300363

Any comments from Jorge as to whether the choice of which knight is removed or what White's initial first move was makes any difference in his results at knight odds?

[Chessqueen]

I just tested Komodo Dragon that my friend Jorge E Sammour-Hasbun purchased a few weeks ago, vs Igel 3.0.5 and to tell you the true they are both great program, but Igel 3.-0.5 should go commercial it is so strong using his newer Ryzen Super Computer AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 3970X 32-Core 3.7 - 4.5GHz Turbo, sTRX4, 280W TDP, Processor https://www.avadirect.com/3rd-Gen-AMD-R ... gILGfD_BwE And yes he told me that Komodo Dragon2 MCTS beat him 80% of the times at Time Control 15'+10" with Knight Odds, he is very close to IM Andras rating, or a little bit higher than IM Andras https://ratings.fide.com/profile/5300363

Any comments from Jorge as to whether the choice of which knight is removed or what White's initial first move was makes any difference in his results at knight odds?

The only comment that he made was that it was harder to play against the b1 Knight Odds, and that with the g1 Knight Odds the 1.4 pawn what not too hard to play against it, since there are so many great known response to it, he did not mentioned anything about the 1.f4 Opening, I guess Komodo Dragon2 MCTS did NOT used that opening against him.

[lkaufman]

I just tested Komodo Dragon that my friend Jorge E Sammour-Hasbun purchased a few weeks ago, vs Igel 3.0.5 and to tell you the true they are both great program, but Igel 3.-0.5 should go commercial it is so strong using his newer Ryzen Super Computer AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 3970X 32-Core 3.7 - 4.5GHz Turbo, sTRX4, 280W TDP, Processor https://www.avadirect.com/3rd-Gen-AMD-R ... gILGfD_BwE And yes he told me that Komodo Dragon2 MCTS beat him 80% of the times at Time Control 15'+10" with Knight Odds, he is very close to IM Andras rating, or a little bit higher than IM Andras https://ratings.fide.com/profile/5300363

Any comments from Jorge as to whether the choice of which knight is removed or what White's initial first move was makes any difference in his results at knight odds?

The only comment that he made was that it was harder to play against the b1 Knight Odds, and that with the g1 Knight Odds the 1.4 pawn what not too hard to play against it, since there are so many great known response to it, he did not mentioned anything about the 1.f4 Opening, I guess Komodo Dragon2 MCTS did NOT used that opening against him.

Do you know whether he set "Contempt", and if so to what value?

[Chessqueen]

I just tested Komodo Dragon that my friend Jorge E Sammour-Hasbun purchased a few weeks ago, vs Igel 3.0.5 and to tell you the true they are both great program, but Igel 3.-0.5 should go commercial it is so strong using his newer Ryzen Super Computer AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 3970X 32-Core 3.7 - 4.5GHz Turbo, sTRX4, 280W TDP, Processor https://www.avadirect.com/3rd-Gen-AMD-R ... gILGfD_BwE And yes he told me that Komodo Dragon2 MCTS beat him 80% of the times at Time Control 15'+10" with Knight Odds, he is very close to IM Andras rating, or a little bit higher than IM Andras https://ratings.fide.com/profile/5300363

Any comments from Jorge as to whether the choice of which knight is removed or what White's initial first move was makes any difference in his results at knight odds?

The only comment that he made was that it was harder to play against the b1 Knight Odds, and that with the g1 Knight Odds the 1.4 pawn what not too hard to play against it, since there are so many great known response to it, he did not mentioned anything about the 1.f4 Opening, I guess Komodo Dragon2 MCTS did NOT used that opening against him.

Do you know whether he set "Contempt", and if so to what value?

I few weeks ago he called me and asked me what is the recommended contempt, and I told him to pick any number from 130 to 175, and I remembered he told me that he was going to use 140 and play a few Knight Odds games probably 5 games or so at 15'+10".

[voffka]

Hello there,

[...]
but Igel 3.-0.5 should go commercial it is so strong using his newer Ryzen Super Computer AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 3970X 32-Core 3.7 - 4.5GHz
[...]

Why would you want Igel to go commercial? There are a lot of strong open source engines out there and Igel is not even the strongest, so it feels counter intuitive for me to make it commercial. I personally think that it is great that Stockfish and Leela are free yet being the strongest engines out there. It inspires other engineers to make engines free as well and this contributes to the world of chess.

[Chessqueen]

Hello there,

[...]
but Igel 3.-0.5 should go commercial it is so strong using his newer Ryzen Super Computer AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 3970X 32-Core 3.7 - 4.5GHz
[...]

Why would you want Igel to go commercial? There are a lot of strong open source engines out there and Igel is not even the strongest, so it feels counter intuitive for me to make it commercial. I personally think that it is great that Stockfish and Leela are free yet being the strongest engines out there. It inspires other engineers to make engines free as well and this contributes to the world of chess.

It is much stronger than Chiron5 which is selling for $15.00 US http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77534

[Chessqueen]

Hello there,

[...]
but Igel 3.-0.5 should go commercial it is so strong using his newer Ryzen Super Computer AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 3970X 32-Core 3.7 - 4.5GHz
[...]

Why would you want Igel to go commercial? There are a lot of strong open source engines out there and Igel is not even the strongest, so it feels counter intuitive for me to make it commercial. I personally think that it is great that Stockfish and Leela are free yet being the strongest engines out there. It inspires other engineers to make engines free as well and this contributes to the world of chess.

It is much stronger than Chiron 5 which is selling for or 20. Euro or $15.00 http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77534

[Damir]

Hello there,

[...]
but Igel 3.-0.5 should go commercial it is so strong using his newer Ryzen Super Computer AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 3970X 32-Core 3.7 - 4.5GHz
[...]

Why would you want Igel to go commercial? There are a lot of strong open source engines out there and Igel is not even the strongest, so it feels counter intuitive for me to make it commercial. I personally think that it is great that Stockfish and Leela are free yet being the strongest engines out there. It inspires other engineers to make engines free as well and this contributes to the world of chess.

It is much stronger than Chiron5 which is selling for $15.00 US http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77534

You have to keep in mind that Chiron is not using nnue technology ''yet''.. if it did it would be on pair with Igel, maybe even stronger...
When comparing Igel to Chiron, You are comparing aples to oranges... since Igel is using nnue technology and Chiron is not, so it is not a fair comparasement.