Well I guess Carlsen can give 5 minutes to 20 seconds to any 2200 rated player
This is how fast GM Nihal really is
And here is GM 16 years old beating GM Nepomniachtchi
Can a 2600 player beat a 2200 5 minutes to 1 minute?
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Can a 2600 player beat a 2200 5 minutes to 1 minute?
Who is 17 years old GM Gukesh 2nd at the Candidate in Toronto?
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Re: Can a 2600 player beat a 2200 5 minutes to 1 minute?
Ofcourse, they can.
Tactical knowledge and an ability to find blunders of the opponent are the major reasons they have the edge over 2200 rated.
Tactical knowledge and an ability to find blunders of the opponent are the major reasons they have the edge over 2200 rated.
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Re: Can a 2600 player beat a 2200 5 minutes to 1 minute?
I think it may be dependent on the players and on the question if the game is with a real board and clock or on the internetChessqueen wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:18 am Well I guess Carlsen can give 5 minutes to 20 seconds to any 2200 rated player
This is how fast GM Nihal really is
And here is GM 16 years old beating GM Nepomniachtchi
2600 players get their rating based on long time control games and not based on bullet games.
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Re: Can a 2600 player beat a 2200 5 minutes to 1 minute?
I think that it is dependent on the players.
There are players who are relatively weak when they do not get enough time.
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Re: Can a 2600 player beat a 2200 5 minutes to 1 minute?
When Roman Dzindzichashvili was about 2600 FIDE he could crush 2200s giving 5 to 1 min odds. Of course he was really about a 2700 level blitz player. He couldn't quite give me 5 to 1 (I was about 2400 FIDE then, forty years ago), but he could give me 3 to 1 or 5 to 1.5 min and come out slightly ahead.
The secret is thinking on the opponent's time, it's not really a 5 to 1 thinking time handicap.
The secret is thinking on the opponent's time, it's not really a 5 to 1 thinking time handicap.
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Re: Can a 2600 player beat a 2200 5 minutes to 1 minute?
But 5:00 to 0:20 seems physically impossible even against an 1800-rated player. Especially if the clock is on your wrong side.
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Re: Can a 2600 player beat a 2200 5 minutes to 1 minute?
I still believe that Carlsen and GM Nakamura can beat any player rated 2200 with 5:00 tp 0.20, because they would be thinking on their opponent's time and making moves instantly
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Re: Can a 2600 player beat a 2200 5 minutes to 1 minute?
Except that it is not possible to make moves 'instantly'. They will require a finite time.
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Re: Can a 2600 player beat a 2200 5 minutes to 1 minute?
It is clearly possible to make moves instantly.
If it is a game in the internet there is a premove option.
If it is a game on the board then the opponent plays a move and later press on the clock.
If you are fast enough you can reply to the move before the opponent press on the clock.
If it is a game in the internet there is a premove option.
If it is a game on the board then the opponent plays a move and later press on the clock.
If you are fast enough you can reply to the move before the opponent press on the clock.
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Re: Can a 2600 player beat a 2200 5 minutes to 1 minute?
Only if the opponent is slow. Low rating doesn't necessarily correlate with slowness. When you are an 1800-rated player facing a GM, you will only have one goal, and that is to win on time. So what you do is castle towards the clock, and heap up all your pieces in front of the King, and then just move your King back and forth when you don't have to recapture.
I was not aware that premoving in OTB games is even allowed. But we used to have a very efficient way to punish it, as premoving opponents usually do not wait with their premove until you released your piece. So what you do is make an unsuspect move with a piece that can also attack his Queen, but do not release that piece before he grabs a piece for the logical reply to the move he thinks you are going to make. And then you alter the destination for capturing a protected piece (preferably also attacking something valuable, e.g. N x protected P, attacking Q). And then you insist he plays with the piece he touched, so that he cannot recapture, and as a consequence loses P +Q for N. In those days the prevailing blitz rules did not forbid to leave your King in check (the opponent could claim the game in that case), so moves that attacked the King (like a suicidal Qxh7+) were a good way to instantly decide the game.
I was not aware that premoving in OTB games is even allowed. But we used to have a very efficient way to punish it, as premoving opponents usually do not wait with their premove until you released your piece. So what you do is make an unsuspect move with a piece that can also attack his Queen, but do not release that piece before he grabs a piece for the logical reply to the move he thinks you are going to make. And then you alter the destination for capturing a protected piece (preferably also attacking something valuable, e.g. N x protected P, attacking Q). And then you insist he plays with the piece he touched, so that he cannot recapture, and as a consequence loses P +Q for N. In those days the prevailing blitz rules did not forbid to leave your King in check (the opponent could claim the game in that case), so moves that attacked the King (like a suicidal Qxh7+) were a good way to instantly decide the game.