Kayra 1.1

[mehmet123]

Why would I care if there's no positive results from it? Changing working code just for the sake of it is not something I would consider a feature. As a user I don't care.

If you agree, Tomasz, I have a suggestion to you.

I took a break from the Kayra project for now, but I'm thinking of starting again soon. When Kayra 1.2 is ready, I will send this chess engine to you. Test it with these conditions. 1 min + 0.5 sec or 1 min + 1 sec time control , 2000 / 3000 games, short opening book.
If this chess engine doesn't outperform the latest Stockfish Dev in your test by at least +5 elo, i will never release the new version of Kayra.
For this, my only request from you is to give me 2 attempts.

[AlexChess]

Why would I care if there's no positive results from it? Changing working code just for the sake of it is not something I would consider a feature. As a user I don't care.

If you agree, Tomasz, I have a suggestion to you.

I took a break from the Kayra project for now, but I'm thinking of starting again soon. When Kayra 1.2 is ready, I will send this chess engine to you. Test it with these conditions. 1 min + 0.5 sec or 1 min + 1 sec time control , 2000 / 3000 games, short opening book.
If this chess engine doesn't outperform the latest Stockfish Dev in your test by at least +5 elo, i will never release the new version of Kayra.
For this, my only request from you is to give me 2 attempts.

I like this duel, all chess engines enthusiasts would benefit from this two SF TOP derivatives after the match, while all other original open source authors <= 200 ELO could only eat the dust

Mexican Standoff Stockfish vs Fat Titz vs Kayra

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[Ras]

I like this duel, all chess engines enthusiasts will benefit from this two SF TOP derivatives after the match

You could as well match three identical copies of SF against themselves and enjoy the measurement noise as tournament result. The advantage would be that even people without any understanding of statistics would conclude that SF isn't better than SF.

[tcusr]

Why would I care if there's no positive results from it? Changing working code just for the sake of it is not something I would consider a feature. As a user I don't care.

If you agree, Tomasz, I have a suggestion to you.

I took a break from the Kayra project for now, but I'm thinking of starting again soon. When Kayra 1.2 is ready, I will send this chess engine to you. Test it with these conditions. 1 min + 0.5 sec or 1 min + 1 sec time control , 2000 / 3000 games, short opening book.
If this chess engine doesn't outperform the latest Stockfish Dev in your test by at least +5 elo, i will never release the new version of Kayra.
For this, my only request from you is to give me 2 attempts.

I like this duel, all chess engines enthusiasts would benefit from this two SF TOP derivatives after the match, while all other original open source authors <= 200 ELO could only eat the dust

Mexican Standoff Stockfish vs Fat Titz vs Kayra

Image from Wikipedia , All credits to Wikimedia Commons
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Comm ... euse_guide

yeah you're an idiot

[Sopel]

Why would I care if there's no positive results from it? Changing working code just for the sake of it is not something I would consider a feature. As a user I don't care.

If you agree, Tomasz, I have a suggestion to you.

I took a break from the Kayra project for now, but I'm thinking of starting again soon. When Kayra 1.2 is ready, I will send this chess engine to you. Test it with these conditions. 1 min + 0.5 sec or 1 min + 1 sec time control , 2000 / 3000 games, short opening book.
If this chess engine doesn't outperform the latest Stockfish Dev in your test by at least +5 elo, i will never release the new version of Kayra.
For this, my only request from you is to give me 2 attempts.

no

[Eduard]

I wonder if anyone can setup some "SF derivation" automata that generates 2-3 SF clones per day by shuffling some parameters.
Enough to occupy testing capacity of our SSS-testing friends Alex, Eduard (who should take care of his Vitamin D) etc. so that they have fewer to no time to post anymore.

Haha! When was my last posting? Well I've just edited 47 new Kayra Games from the server into my book. By hand, of course, and with analyzes. I forgot to eat tonight. Kayra is now running on the server again and has just won against Caro Kann. Amazing. A random product rocks the server. Other clones are currently out on the server. The Raubfisch author was there for a short time too, he must be frustrated. Nobody plays with their engine, just one and he's in last place, haha.

[Aleksei]

Why are you insulting us, You should be ashamed of yourself. You banned me from the Outskirts forum because of some legal comments about Stockfish clones. I didn't offend anyone and there is a right to free opinion. Instead of leaving us here in peace, you're just mobbing around here. It goes without saying that I don't do things or tests together with you. If you'd at least apologize, the Hurnavich doesn't need to.

Outskirts banned me too for having posted thanks to Archimedes for Crystal perfectly compiled for Android and surprising strong



...And I was thinking to have found a peaceful forum to skip few trolls here. (Luckily the majority are very interesting, skilled and kind members in TC)

I saw your picture here https://www.chess.com/member/alemor64 you look like a grown man, BUT with a brain of child (or DK effect?). Outskirts became much more peaceful after you left, you said that you wanted to thank the author - guess what, there is a "thank you button". To be honest i haven't see such a trolls, spammers like you. You don't belong in ANY chess community, you place is on facebook or instagram.
Don't bother to answer, i won't read cr@p from a child.

[Aleksei]

Why would I care if there's no positive results from it? Changing working code just for the sake of it is not something I would consider a feature. As a user I don't care.

If you agree, Tomasz, I have a suggestion to you.

I took a break from the Kayra project for now, but I'm thinking of starting again soon. When Kayra 1.2 is ready, I will send this chess engine to you. Test it with these conditions. 1 min + 0.5 sec or 1 min + 1 sec time control , 2000 / 3000 games, short opening book.
If this chess engine doesn't outperform the latest Stockfish Dev in your test by at least +5 elo, i will never release the new version of Kayra.
For this, my only request from you is to give me 2 attempts.

I like this duel, all chess engines enthusiasts would benefit from this two SF TOP derivatives after the match, while all other original open source authors <= 200 ELO could only eat the dust

Mexican Standoff Stockfish vs Fat Titz vs Kayra

Image from Wikipedia , All credits to Wikimedia Commons
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Comm ... euse_guide

yeah you're an idiot

Agree 100%.. The one and only..

[Sopel]

Intel(R) Xeon(R) Platinum 8163 CPU @ 2.50GHz

both engines compiled on the target machine from source with

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make clean && make profile-build ARCH=x86-64-bmi2 -j

matches ran with

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c-chess-cli -each tc=300+10 option.Hash=256 option.Threads=1 -games 2000 -rounds 1 -concurrency 32 -openings "file=/home/sopel/nnue/c-chess-cli/UHO_XXL_+0.90_+1.19.epd" order=random -repeat -resign 3 500 -draw 6 10 -engine "cmd=/home/sopel/nnue/kayra/sf/Stockfish-master/src/stockfish" name=sf_20211227 -engine "cmd=/home/sopel/nnue/kayra/kayra/Kayra1.1/src/kayra" name=kayra_1.1 -pgn out.pgn 0

results

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Score of sf_20211227 vs kayra_1.1: 544 - 524 - 932  [0.505] 2000

   # PLAYER         :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)  CFS(%)
   1 sf_20211227    :     1.8    5.4  1010.0    2000    50      74
   2 kayra_1.1      :    -1.8    5.4   990.0    2000    50     ---

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 0.00
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

so it's basically stockfish

[mehmet123]

Why would I care if there's no positive results from it? Changing working code just for the sake of it is not something I would consider a feature. As a user I don't care.

If you agree, Tomasz, I have a suggestion to you.

I took a break from the Kayra project for now, but I'm thinking of starting again soon. When Kayra 1.2 is ready, I will send this chess engine to you. Test it with these conditions. 1 min + 0.5 sec or 1 min + 1 sec time control , 2000 / 3000 games, short opening book.
If this chess engine doesn't outperform the latest Stockfish Dev in your test by at least +5 elo, i will never release the new version of Kayra.
For this, my only request from you is to give me 2 attempts.

no

Sad news. Also thank you for the Kayra tests.


I hope you will continue to improve Fat Titz. This engine scaled much better over time in my tests against Stockfish.

Fat Titz vs Stockfish Dev:

10 sec + 0.2 TC: - 44 elo
1 min + 0.5 TC: -20 elo
10 min + 0 TC: +1 elo

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