If at every 2nd move Komodo Dragon makes any player move ........

[Chessqueen]

If at every 2nd move Komodo Dragon makes any player move, can that player defeat another player that is 300 Elo stronger than him? hat experiment will take place this coming saturday between a 1750 rated player and a 2100 FiDE rated player.

NOTE: Remember that it only takes one bad move to spoil a chess game and take it to the wrong direction, which could be hard for Komodo to bring it back to be competitive against the stronger player. The Lower rated player (1750) will not be able to see the computer screen at any given moment during the game only the operator will be allowed to enter each 2nd move during the game. 2 games will be played one with White and the other with the Black Pieces, and NO EGTB will be allowed for Komodo Dragon.

[Chessqueen]

If at every 2nd move Komodo Dragon makes any player move, can that player defeat another player that is 300 Elo stronger than him? hat experiment will take place this coming Saturday between a 1750 rated player and a 2100 FiDE rated player.

NOTE: Remember that it only takes one bad move to spoil a chess game and take it to the wrong direction, which could be hard for Komodo to bring it back to be competitive against the stronger player. The Lower rated player (1750) will not be able to see the computer screen at any given moment during the game only the operator will be allowed to enter each 2nd move during the game. 2 games will be played one with White and the other with the Black Pieces, and NO EGTB will be allowed for Komodo Dragon.

I already place a bet of $300. to $200.00 that the 2100 player will beat the 1750 player under those conditions, since I realize that it only take one bad move for the 1750 player for the entire game to go where NOT even with the help of Komodo Dragon making every other 2nd move could bring the game into balance. For instance if 1750 player start with 1.e4 c5 then Komodo Dragon will make the 2nd move 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 and Komodo Dragon makes the 4th move 4.Nxd4 and so on........

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.06.22"]
[Round "?"]
[White "1750+ Komodo"]
[Black "2100 Player"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "2100"]
[ECO "B40"]
[Opening "Sicilian"]
[Time "19:51:54"]
[Variation "Open, 2...e6, 4.Nxd4"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[TimeControl "900+210"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "7"]


1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 *[/pgn]

[Chessqueen]

If at every 2nd move Komodo Dragon makes any player move, can that player defeat another player that is 300 Elo stronger than him? hat experiment will take place this coming Saturday between a 1750 rated player and a 2100 FiDE rated player.

NOTE: Remember that it only takes one bad move to spoil a chess game and take it to the wrong direction, which could be hard for Komodo to bring it back to be competitive against the stronger player. The Lower rated player (1750) will not be able to see the computer screen at any given moment during the game only the operator will be allowed to enter each 2nd move during the game. 2 games will be played one with White and the other with the Black Pieces, and NO EGTB will be allowed for Komodo Dragon.

I already place a bet of $300. to $200.00 that the 2100 player will beat the 1750 player under those conditions, since I realize that it only take one bad move for the 1750 player for the entire game to go where NOT even with the help of Komodo Dragon making every other 2nd move could bring the game into balance. For instance if 1750 player start with 1.e4 c5 then Komodo Dragon will make the 2nd move 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 and Komodo Dragon makes the 4th move 4.Nxd4 and so on........

NOTE: I Won the bet and $200.00

[pgn][Site "Experiment"]
[Date "2022.06.26"]
[Round "?"]
[White "1750+ Komodo"]
[Black "2100 Player"]
[Result "0-1"]
[BlackElo "2100"]
[ECO "C45"]
[Opening "Scotch"]
[Time "12:53:21"]
[Variation "Mieses, 8.c4"]
[WhiteElo "1750"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]


1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nxc6 bxc6 6. e5 Qe7 7. Qe2
Nd5 8. c4 Nb6 9. Nc3 Qe6 10. Bf4 Ba6 11. b3 Bb4 12. Bd2 O-O 13. f4 f6 14.
Ne4 Be7 15. exf6 Bxf6 16. O-O-O Rae8 17. Re1 d5 18. cxd5 cxd5 19. Nxf6+
Qxf6 20. Qxa6 Qa1+ 21. Kc2 Rxe1 22. Bxe1 Qxe1 23. Qe2 Qa1 24. Qe5 Qxa2+ 25.
Qb2 Qxb2+ 26. Kxb2 Rxf4 27. Ba6 Rf2+ 28. Kb1 Rxg2 29. Rc1 Rxh2 30. Rxc7 Rf2
31. Ka1 Rf7 32. Rc1 d4 33. Rc6 Kf8 34. Kb1 Rd7 35. Bd3 h6 36. Bf5 Rf7 37.
Rc5 Ke7 38. Ra5 Kd6 39. Bg6 Rc7 40. Rf5 Nd5 41. Rf1 Rc3 42. Rf7 Rxb3+ 43.
Kc1 Rc3+ 44. Kd2 Rc7 45. Rf8 Re7 46. Kd3 Kc5 47. Kd2 Nb4 48. Rc8+ Kd6 49.
Be8 Nd5 50. Bb5 Nf4 51. Rc4 Kd5 52. Rc8 g5 53. Rd8+ Kc5 54. Ba6 Re3 55. Rg8
Re6 56. Bf1 Rb6 57. Kc1 Rb3 58. Kc2 Rf3 59. Ba6 Kb6 60. Bc8 Rc3+ 61. Kd1
Ra3 62. Bf5 Kc5 63. Rc8+ Kd5 64. Re8 Kd6 65. Bc8 Ra2 66. Rd8+ Kc7 67. Rg8
Kc6 68. Bf5 Kc5 69. Rc8+ Kd6 70. Rd8+ Ke5 71. Bh7 Ra6 72. Ke1 g4 73. Re8+
Re6 74. Rg8 Re7 75. Bc2 d3 76. Bd1 h5 77. Kd2 Kd4 78. Rb8 a5 79. Rd8+ Ke4
80. Ba4 g3 81. Bc6+ Kf5 82. Kd1 Rg7 83. Kd2 g2 84. Rf8+ Ke6 85. Re8+ Kf7
86. Re1 g1=Q 87. Rxg1 Rxg1 88. Bb7 a4 89. Ke3 Re1+ 90. Kd4 a3 91. Ba6
{White resigns} *[/pgn]

[hgm]

It would be interesting to see what the rating of such an alternating pair of engines of very different rating is. It might be lower than the weakest.

[Chessqueen]

It would be interesting to see what the rating of such an alternating pair of engines of very different rating is. It might be lower than the weakest.

The way I look at it, is that it only take the weaker either human or a combination of engines like you are suggesting to make a bad move and it is very hard for the higher engine to request his weaker partner. But you can do a little experiment yourself either using Stockfish or Komodo Dragon as the helping engine. It is NOT as simple as most people believe it is, for instance that is you take lets say an engine rate around 2050 + Stockfish rated 3585 making every other move that all you have to do is add 2050 + 3585 and divide it by 2 and it will give you and average rating of both; and if you pit it against Kingfisher rated 2315 at T/C of 15/10, I believe that Kingfisher would win most of the games because of some of the inferior moves that the inferior engine would make. Because the main thing that you have to consider it that once the weaker engine makes an inferior move it take a lot for Stockfish to make the game balance again.

[Uri Blass]

I see no reason to believe it is the average.

I am even not sure if 2050+ stockfish is better than 2050 because stockfish may make good moves that the 2050 does not know how to continue them so the 2050 destroy the position.

[Chessqueen]

I see no reason to believe it is the average.

I am even not sure if 2050+ stockfish is better than 2050 because stockfish may make good moves that the 2050 does not know how to continue them so the 2050 destroy the position.

It would be the same as if Carlsen + a 2050 rated player play Versus a 2300 rated players, all that the 2300 rated player has to do is wait for the 2050 rated player to blunder or to destroy every move made by Carlsen

NOTE: Does a person needs to have 2 computers to do this experiment between 3 different engines ?

[Chessqueen]

I see no reason to believe it is the average.

I am even not sure if 2050+ stockfish is better than 2050 because stockfish may make good moves that the 2050 does not know how to continue them so the 2050 destroy the position.

It would be the same as if Carlsen + a 2050 rated player play Versus a 2300 rated players, all that the 2300 rated player has to do is wait for the 2050 rated player to blunder or to destroy every move made by Carlsen

NOTE: Does a person needs to have 2 computers to do this experiment between 3 different engines ?

I would put my Money on Mr. Kaufman + Komodo Dragon Vs GM Smerdon Tournament T/C

[lkaufman]

I see no reason to believe it is the average.

I am even not sure if 2050+ stockfish is better than 2050 because stockfish may make good moves that the 2050 does not know how to continue them so the 2050 destroy the position.

It would be the same as if Carlsen + a 2050 rated player play Versus a 2300 rated players, all that the 2300 rated player has to do is wait for the 2050 rated player to blunder or to destroy every move made by Carlsen

NOTE: Does a person needs to have 2 computers to do this experiment between 3 different engines ?

I would put my Money on Mr. Kaufman + Komodo Dragon Vs GM Smerdon Tournament T/C

Well, you might be right, but I am not a randomly chosen 2200 player, surely I know much more about how engines "think" and am more likely to work out the reasons an engine played a given move than a randomly chosen 2200 player, who might have minimal understanding of engines. Also I can play almost any decent opening, I'm not a "specialist" who for example plays the French or Najdorf or whatever at 2500 level and other defenses at 2000 level, so I can adapt to engine preferences more easily than "specialists". But if the players are randomly chosen for their ratings, I would pick the stronger player given a class (200 elo) difference if the weaker one gets top engine help every other move. I'm pretty sure that the random 2200 player plus engine combo will play better in general than 2200, but not a full class better.

[Chessqueen]

It would be nice to see an extra game at T/C 15/10 with you Vs GM Smerdon with Komodo Dragon making every other move