Engines compiled for Windows 10 | 11 ARM64 Neon

[AlexChess]

Hi!

This platform will be widespread in the near future thanks to Microsoft Surface devices and Parallels Desktop M1 for Mac Big Sur:

Here I will collect all the chess engines available:

-IGEL 3.0.5 NNUE ARM64 NEON https://github.com/vshcherbyna/igel/releases/tag/3.0.5
Strong engine by the Ukranian Volodymyr Shcherbyna

[Ras]

This platform will be widespread in the near future

It will flop like all the other non-x86 Windows platforms in the past, and even like the Surface itself. Here's why:

• Unlike Apple's Rosetta2, Microsoft uses a runtime emulation for existing applications. That's slow.
• Unlike Apple, Microsoft doesn't control the hardware ecosystem.
• Unlike Apple, Microsoft cannot sell anything via hype because Microsoft is as sexy as faded-beige 1990s office gear.
• Unlike Apple users, Windows users are not willing to ditch their existing software. In fact, backwards compatibility is one of Windows' main unique selling points.
• That creates a chicken / egg problem of no software and no device buyers.
• Microsoft's bad track record of trying things and then ditching them creates even less incentive to buy.
• Qualcomm's chips aren't on a par with Apple's M1.
• By the time Qualcomm might be there, AMD will be shipping Zen4 with 5nm anyway.
• The pricing of the Surfaces is ridiculous, and Windows users don't accept that.

[jdart]

I think that's pretty accurate.

I have to say, I am extremely impressed by Apple managing back in the day to both switch its hardware platform (to Intel) and its OS layer (to Mach/MacOS) and not lose its customer base in the process: in fact, gaining market and share. That is usually not what happens to companies that re-platform. It looks like they are going to succeed again with M1. But Microsoft: certainly not clear they will. I remember how Windows on Alpha and Windows on Itanium died.

[AlexChess]

No need of Microsoft Surface hardware, Silicon M1+ Is enaught https://www.engadget.com/windows-11-lea ... 19963.html

[Ras]

No need of Microsoft Surface hardware, Silicon M1+ Is enaught https://www.engadget.com/windows-11-lea ... 19963.html

The article is about the visual design of Windows 11 which is said to resemble macOS. Do you really think that just because Windows 11 has rounded corners, this means it will run on M1 hardware and magically support existing Windows applications when running on M1 hardware?!

[mvanthoor]

I have to say, I am extremely impressed by Apple managing back in the day to both switch its hardware platform (to Intel) and its OS layer (to Mach/MacOS) and not lose its customer base in the process: in fact, gaining market and share. That is usually not what happens to companies that re-platform. It looks like they are going to succeed again with M1.

But Microsoft: certainly not clear they will. I remember how Windows on Alpha and Windows on Itanium died.

Microsoft is a company that creates (boring) business software, such as Office, Project, Visio, PowerBi, SQL Server, Visual Studio, etc... and they have an operating system to run that stuff on, which _happens_ to be Windows. Lots of MS software (and software from other software makers) runs _only_ on Windows. Microsoft, and Windows, are just boooring to normal people. It's an OS. You install it on a computer, and it runs software. And games. If you want to game, you need Windows. Most games run only on Windows (and consoles), give or take some exceptions. (Valve is trying to change that, but as I don't game on Valve's platforms, I don't know how far they are succeeding.)

Compared to that, Apple is basically a religious cult. They can do _whatever the *** they want_, and the people who use Apple will _keep_ using Apple. Whatever Apple does, they'll either love it, or even if they hate it, they hate Microsoft (and Windows) more, so they'll _still_ keep using Apple.

disclaimer: I use Windows on the desktop, because it runs everything I want to run on my desktop, without hassle. Including photography software that is NOT GIMP. I run Linux on the servers, because I'm MUCH better at the BASH command line than I am at Powershell (on Windows, my default shell is also Bash, through MSYS2), so I can remote-admin the servers over SSH. I also have an iPad, because I use it for sheet music. ForScore is the best application for that (and only available on iPad), and the Pro 12.9 was largest tablet in existence when I bought it in 2019. (I wouldn't even touch anything Samsung with a 10 foot pole. Neither with a 20 foot one.)

[emadsen]

Microsoft is a company that creates (boring) business software...

I wouldn't call Azure boring. It's cutting edge. Really capable cloud platform. Great dev tools. There still is a need to write desktop software and install MSIs on Windows clients, sure. But most business development is happening in the cloud now. Microsoft is enabling that via Azure. Mobile is big too. And mobile talks to data services running in the cloud.

[mvanthoor]

I wouldn't call Azure boring. It's cutting edge. Really capable cloud platform. Great dev tools. There still is a need to write desktop software and install MSIs on Windows clients, sure. But most business development is happening in the cloud now. Microsoft is enabling that via Azure. Mobile is big too. And mobile talks to data services running in the cloud.

For a developer, Azure and some of the MS dev tools are great software. What I mean is that from the viewpoint of "normal" users (the ones that run Office, play games, use a computer for internet and e-mail), most MS software is boring (*), because it's just business software, and they possibly haven't even heard of Azure.

( * Apple basically made a bazillion Mac vs. PC commercials about it.)

[AlexChess]

You are a little off-topic
I also use every operating system, but here we are discussing about chess engines.

[AlexChess]

No need of Microsoft Surface hardware, Silicon M1+ Is enaught https://www.engadget.com/windows-11-lea ... 19963.html

The article is about the visual design of Windows 11 which is said to resemble macOS. Do you really think that just because Windows 11 has rounded corners, this means it will run on M1 hardware and magically support existing Windows applications when running on M1 hardware?!

Yes.
https://fossbytes.com/how-to-install-wi ... c-macbook/ free on Qemu.

On Parallels Desktop M1 will be faster. Windows 10 ARM64 is already perfectly stable on it.