Stockfish up to 8 times faster on Apple M1

[smatovic]

One online rumour is that the next Mac Pro will have dual M1 Max CPUs.

I seriously hope they can do better than that.

From an big player point of view it would make sense to join the ARM manycore server race, to revive their XServer segment again, and then descent that kind of hardware down to the workstations, but I guess Apple sees its cashcows more in the appstore/content kind of stuff than server/workstation hardware...

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Srdja

[wickedpotus]

The impressive thing about M1 is rosetta where Microsoft tried 10 years with arm and failed - and apple produced a perfect transcompiler during runtime which works flawlessly.

Yes - that and it is incredibly power efficient for the performance it offers across typical non-chess tasks.

Everything I have seen indicates it is just as overrated for pretty much everything (not only its failed chess-engine performance) apart from some apps highly optimized by hand for Apple's specific HW. Overrated by stupid tech-bloggers but are crushed by any similar priced same gen laptop, both intel and AMD based when real stressful multithreaded things, games, AI tasks, etc. are thrown a

[h1a8]

No...On the contrary M1, M1 Pro and M1 Max is actually pretty crappy for everything multithreaded chess related.



But reality has very little to do with Apple fanboys and not so tech-savvy youtubers, bloggers, "tech"-sites who only do flwed benches like "Geekbench" and other uninformed sh*t...

Just go and do some g*d d*mn benchmarking before posting sh*t like this in a forum frequented by mostly intelligent chess friends.

I have an new ipad pro and stockfish gets close (if not better) to my 10th gen i7 laptop in kn/s. Why should the m1 mac getter lower when they both have m1 chips?

[wickedpotus]

No...On the contrary M1, M1 Pro and M1 Max is actually pretty crappy for everything multithreaded chess related.



But reality has very little to do with Apple fanboys and not so tech-savvy youtubers, bloggers, "tech"-sites who only do flwed benches like "Geekbench" and other uninformed sh*t...

Just go and do some g*d d*mn benchmarking before posting sh*t like this in a forum frequented by mostly intelligent chess friends.

I have an new ipad pro and stockfish gets close (if not better) to my 10th gen i7 laptop in kn/s. Why should the m1 mac getter lower when they both have m1 chips?

So what nps do you get... .... 10th gen i7 is pretty old, so why compare with that? Are you even running the latest stockfish on your ipad?? How did you compile it?

[Hai]

No...On the contrary M1, M1 Pro and M1 Max is actually pretty crappy for everything multithreaded chess related.



But reality has very little to do with Apple fanboys and not so tech-savvy youtubers, bloggers, "tech"-sites who only do flwed benches like "Geekbench" and other uninformed sh*t...

Just go and do some g*d d*mn benchmarking before posting sh*t like this in a forum frequented by mostly intelligent chess friends.

I have an new ipad pro and stockfish gets close (if not better) to my 10th gen i7 laptop in kn/s. Why should the m1 mac getter lower when they both have m1 chips?

It‘s all about the Stockfish developers.
If some people ask them to improve Stockfish for the M1, M1 Pro and M1 Max Apple devices, then I‘m sure the developers will improve Stockfish.
These are good MacBooks, cool and silent and the extreme low watt usage is amazing.

[wickedpotus]

No...On the contrary M1, M1 Pro and M1 Max is actually pretty crappy for everything multithreaded chess related.

It‘s all about the Stockfish developers.
If some people ask them to improve Stockfish for the M1, M1 Pro and M1 Max Apple devices, then I‘m sure the developers will improve Stockfish.
These are good MacBooks, cool and silent and the extreme low watt usage is amazing.

SF is open source.. I am sure there are alot of Apple-fans around that would try to improve SF if there actually was a good way to optimize and squeeze more than the native compilers currently does from Apples proprietary HW.. But the sad truth is that Apples CPU dont even support hyper-threading so it is more designed for simple one-thread tasks and not for high-perfroamnce computin like chess-apps etc. the m1 Max is sadly only about 50-60% faster than the M1 and if the GPU is utilized fully it will dra about 100W,, so even the performance & watt is pretty sucky.. You can limit an AMD+Nvidia laptop to the same power usage and it will outperform the Mac on chess (both CPU-bound engines and GPU-bound)..

So in short.. No the Mac is not "Amazing", especilly not for chess and defnitively not for the asking price.


https://wccftech.com/m1-max-slower-than ... enchmarks/

[Magnum]

80% faster with a single improvement.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/st ... t-30680046

[Milos]

80% faster with a single improvement.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/st ... t-30680046

Oh gee, are all Apple fanboys really that dumb and clueless??? One would think that calling them iSheep is an exaggeration, but after reading few comments on that forum seems more like an understatement .

[Modern Times]

Oh gee, are all Apple fanboys really that dumb and clueless???

Not all.. But I do remember a couple of years ago someone at work claiming that their home computer could not get viruses because it was a Mac. Brainwashed.

[wickedpotus]

Oh gee, are all Apple fanboys really that dumb and clueless???

Not all.. But I do remember a couple of years ago someone at work claiming that their home computer could not get viruses because it was a Mac. Brainwashed.

I do see the appeal for people who lack technical education and interest for a pre-configured, proprietary, un-open computer with less "confusing" options and a one-size-fits-all compromise offer to minimize complex choices and thinking needed...However, I think these kinds of computing devices should cost LESS not more

The thing that ticks me of with Apple fanboys is the view that they seem to think they "know" something others don't. and that Apple devices are "superior" to other modern HW, and people who don't think so do this only because they simply don't understand how "wonderful" closed, proprietary, Apple devices are. And regardless of the facts presented to them, they seem to rather stick to some lies and marketing-BS than to "think" for themselves...

I guess that's why people make the comparison with religion, where worship and evangelism are more important than science and facts.