The PM is not "rather nasty". And it makes a reasonable point. If you have followed discussions by me for the past 15 years or so, you might have noticed that I have great respect for GM players. And I agree with his point that there is no need to "needle" a GM and tell him he is lost. I suspect he knows that far better than you do. He _was_ a rook down when the game started. It's fun to watch these, and kibitz comments, just as we did when IM Mike Valvo played the two deep thought 24-hour-per-move games back in the early 90's (maybe even late 80's) on r.g.c.c. But nothing says that the kibitzing can't maintain a respectful tone when the target is IM or GM. They've earned our respect by their OTB accomplishments...
It sure the heck was rude Bob, and I wasn't needling Larry. I suspect I've more respect for GM's here than almost anyone. I use to play IM's and GM's. I've played all my life and although rusty understand chess. Larry is very good but has no special powers. In fact he hasn't demonstrated to me that he has a better understanding of this position than I do.
Like to wager the outcome?
I guess you guys don't get that? Larry isn't a target and until you realize that fundamental point I may as well talk to a brick wall.
If you look at your posts, they don't come across as you state above. Whether that is intentional or not, I wouldn't try to guess. But just read back thru your comments, suggesting the he should resign and such. I have some GMs that I have known for _years_ and I wouldn't needle them like that. Larry's pretty laid back and is not easy to offend, and I doubt he was. But still... if you look carefully at the "tone" of your posts, it was a little awkward at the least.
The problem is you don't know me so the tone is your interpretation.
If you read carefully you'll notice I support Larry and even apologised if I came across differently.
It's easy to send the wrong message and apparently I did to some, Don for certain.
It's not your intent that is in question, it's your behavior.
You define everything it terms of how you feel, or what YOU think is acceptable or what YOU meant, or what bets you can win, etc. It's not your judgement that matters here, it's how you come across to others.
Any type of bad behavior is defined by it's affect on others, not whether the perpetrator views it as acceptable. "He deserved to die", or "she asked for it" is no kind of defense in a court of law - it isn't the criminal that defines whether it's ok, it's society.
You are not a criminal of course, but already 2 people think you stepped over the line - you should at least take some responsibility for this instead of thinking it's everyone else's responsibility to "understand" you or putting the blame on other people.
The PM is not "rather nasty". And it makes a reasonable point. If you have followed discussions by me for the past 15 years or so, you might have noticed that I have great respect for GM players. And I agree with his point that there is no need to "needle" a GM and tell him he is lost. I suspect he knows that far better than you do. He _was_ a rook down when the game started. It's fun to watch these, and kibitz comments, just as we did when IM Mike Valvo played the two deep thought 24-hour-per-move games back in the early 90's (maybe even late 80's) on r.g.c.c. But nothing says that the kibitzing can't maintain a respectful tone when the target is IM or GM. They've earned our respect by their OTB accomplishments...
It sure the heck was rude Bob, and I wasn't needling Larry. I suspect I've more respect for GM's here than almost anyone. I use to play IM's and GM's. I've played all my life and although rusty understand chess. Larry is very good but has no special powers. In fact he hasn't demonstrated to me that he has a better understanding of this position than I do.
Like to wager the outcome?
I guess you guys don't get that? Larry isn't a target and until you realize that fundamental point I may as well talk to a brick wall.
If you look at your posts, they don't come across as you state above. Whether that is intentional or not, I wouldn't try to guess. But just read back thru your comments, suggesting the he should resign and such. I have some GMs that I have known for _years_ and I wouldn't needle them like that. Larry's pretty laid back and is not easy to offend, and I doubt he was. But still... if you look carefully at the "tone" of your posts, it was a little awkward at the least.
The problem is you don't know me so the tone is your interpretation.
If you read carefully you'll notice I support Larry and even apologised if I came across differently.
It's easy to send the wrong message and apparently I did to some, Don for certain.
It's not your intent that is in question, it's your behavior.
You define everything it terms of how you feel, or what YOU think is acceptable or what YOU meant, or what bets you can win, etc. It's not your judgement that matters here, it's how you come across to others.
Any type of bad behavior is defined by it's affect on others, not whether the perpetrator views it as acceptable. "He deserved to die", or "she asked for it" is no kind of defense in a court of law - it isn't the criminal that defines whether it's ok, it's society.
You are not a criminal of course, but already 2 people think you stepped over the line - you should at least take some responsibility for this instead of thinking it's everyone else's responsibility to "understand" you or putting the blame on other people.
If I behaved badly it was after I was chastised without understanding my original intent. I've explained the former.
I would confront the person rather than write a somewhat dodgy post about that person, knowing full well it would insult and lead to complications. Even here you write provocatively adding just enough fuel to keep the fire alive.
Larry is able to defend himself, if he's was offended then he can tell me.
The PM is not "rather nasty". And it makes a reasonable point. If you have followed discussions by me for the past 15 years or so, you might have noticed that I have great respect for GM players. And I agree with his point that there is no need to "needle" a GM and tell him he is lost. I suspect he knows that far better than you do. He _was_ a rook down when the game started. It's fun to watch these, and kibitz comments, just as we did when IM Mike Valvo played the two deep thought 24-hour-per-move games back in the early 90's (maybe even late 80's) on r.g.c.c. But nothing says that the kibitzing can't maintain a respectful tone when the target is IM or GM. They've earned our respect by their OTB accomplishments...
It sure the heck was rude Bob, and I wasn't needling Larry. I suspect I've more respect for GM's here than almost anyone. I use to play IM's and GM's. I've played all my life and although rusty understand chess. Larry is very good but has no special powers. In fact he hasn't demonstrated to me that he has a better understanding of this position than I do.
Like to wager the outcome?
I guess you guys don't get that? Larry isn't a target and until you realize that fundamental point I may as well talk to a brick wall.
If you look at your posts, they don't come across as you state above. Whether that is intentional or not, I wouldn't try to guess. But just read back thru your comments, suggesting the he should resign and such. I have some GMs that I have known for _years_ and I wouldn't needle them like that. Larry's pretty laid back and is not easy to offend, and I doubt he was. But still... if you look carefully at the "tone" of your posts, it was a little awkward at the least.
The problem is you don't know me so the tone is your interpretation.
And _THAT_ is an issue. But one that cuts both ways. You have to write things in a way that anyone can properly interpret them _without_ having to know you personally. It is not easy. It is a problem I suffer from as well. When you put your words in front of _many_ that don't know you (or me) from Adam, you have to write clearly enough that anyone can reasonably interpret the post with nothing but the post in question to go on.
If you read carefully you'll notice I support Larry and even apologised if I came across differently.
It's easy to send the wrong message and apparently I did to some, Don for certain.
It is a problem. It is one most everyone has. Most everyone will experience it. And once you realize what the problem is, the battle is almost over. it is more likely to be recognized first by someone such as myself where I get a brand new group of students each Fall, none of which knows a thing about me. So I am used to trying to be more careful in what I say or write because I have been misinterpreted enough times in the past that I decided that needed correction.
The PM is not "rather nasty". And it makes a reasonable point. If you have followed discussions by me for the past 15 years or so, you might have noticed that I have great respect for GM players. And I agree with his point that there is no need to "needle" a GM and tell him he is lost. I suspect he knows that far better than you do. He _was_ a rook down when the game started. It's fun to watch these, and kibitz comments, just as we did when IM Mike Valvo played the two deep thought 24-hour-per-move games back in the early 90's (maybe even late 80's) on r.g.c.c. But nothing says that the kibitzing can't maintain a respectful tone when the target is IM or GM. They've earned our respect by their OTB accomplishments...
It sure the heck was rude Bob, and I wasn't needling Larry. I suspect I've more respect for GM's here than almost anyone. I use to play IM's and GM's. I've played all my life and although rusty understand chess. Larry is very good but has no special powers. In fact he hasn't demonstrated to me that he has a better understanding of this position than I do.
Like to wager the outcome?
I guess you guys don't get that? Larry isn't a target and until you realize that fundamental point I may as well talk to a brick wall.
If you look at your posts, they don't come across as you state above. Whether that is intentional or not, I wouldn't try to guess. But just read back thru your comments, suggesting the he should resign and such. I have some GMs that I have known for _years_ and I wouldn't needle them like that. Larry's pretty laid back and is not easy to offend, and I doubt he was. But still... if you look carefully at the "tone" of your posts, it was a little awkward at the least.
The problem is you don't know me so the tone is your interpretation.
And _THAT_ is an issue. But one that cuts both ways. You have to write things in a way that anyone can properly interpret them _without_ having to know you personally. It is not easy. It is a problem I suffer from as well. When you put your words in front of _many_ that don't know you (or me) from Adam, you have to write clearly enough that anyone can reasonably interpret the post with nothing but the post in question to go on.
If you read carefully you'll notice I support Larry and even apologised if I came across differently.
It's easy to send the wrong message and apparently I did to some, Don for certain.
It is a problem. It is one most everyone has. Most everyone will experience it. And once you realize what the problem is, the battle is almost over. it is more likely to be recognized first by someone such as myself where I get a brand new group of students each Fall, none of which knows a thing about me. So I am used to trying to be more careful in what I say or write because I have been misinterpreted enough times in the past that I decided that needed correction.
You've made very valid points Bob and I agree with you.
lkaufman wrote:
I'm able to log in again now, thanks to Sam. I play 34.hxg6. My only chance is to weaken the Black king. ..Re5 was a bit strange looking, but perhaps not a bad move.
Well Connie finally goes haywire with all of the possible Pins,Skewers,Discovered Checks ,Forks and Captures
She decides to recapture the P in the worst possible way with the disastrous ...
34..Qxg6
[d]6k1/p1pr1p1p/1p4q1/3nr1B1/2Bp2R1/1Q6/P4P1K/8 w - - 0 34
lkaufman wrote:
I'm able to log in again now, thanks to Sam. I play 34.hxg6. My only chance is to weaken the Black king. ..Re5 was a bit strange looking, but perhaps not a bad move.
Well Connie finally goes haywire with all of the possible Pins,Skewers,Discovered Checks ,Forks and Captures
She decides to recapture the P in the worst possible way with the disastrous ...
34..Qxg6
[d]6k1/p1pr1p1p/1p4q1/3nr1B1/2Bp2R1/1Q6/P4P1K/8 w - - 0 34
Excellently played by GM Kaufman
Hopefully she can still cling on to the draw
Sigh Regards
Steve
It will be interesting to see GM Kaufman's reply. Black's ...Qg6 does not look as bad to me as maybe it should.
lkaufman wrote:
I'm able to log in again now, thanks to Sam. I play 34.hxg6. My only chance is to weaken the Black king. ..Re5 was a bit strange looking, but perhaps not a bad move.
Well Connie finally goes haywire with all of the possible Pins,Skewers,Discovered Checks ,Forks and Captures
She decides to recapture the P in the worst possible way with the disastrous ...
34..Qxg6
[d]6k1/p1pr1p1p/1p4q1/3nr1B1/2Bp2R1/1Q6/P4P1K/8 w - - 0 34
Excellently played by GM Kaufman
Hopefully she can still cling on to the draw
Sigh Regards
Steve
It will be interesting to see GM Kaufman's reply. Black's ...Qg6 does not look as bad to me as maybe it should.
I think that after this move Larry is likely to win the game, even if Connie still technically has the win (which I'm not at all sure of.)
lkaufman wrote:
I'm able to log in again now, thanks to Sam. I play 34.hxg6. My only chance is to weaken the Black king. ..Re5 was a bit strange looking, but perhaps not a bad move.
Well Connie finally goes haywire with all of the possible Pins,Skewers,Discovered Checks ,Forks and Captures
She decides to recapture the P in the worst possible way with the disastrous ...
34..Qxg6
[d]6k1/p1pr1p1p/1p4q1/3nr1B1/2Bp2R1/1Q6/P4P1K/8 w - - 0 34
Excellently played by GM Kaufman
Hopefully she can still cling on to the draw
Sigh Regards
Steve
That's a huge blunder! Very unexpected?! 35. Qg3 turns the whole game around. Guess I lost that bet.
35. Qg3..h5 36. Qxe5..hg 37. Qe8+..Kg7 38. Qxd7..Qxg5 39. Bxd5 or 38..g3+ 39. Kg2..Qxg5 40. Bxd5..gf+ 41. Kxf2..Qf4+ 42. Ke2..with Black better but probably not for long. I doubt the Connie will play this well after seeing a gross mistake like this.
Larry Kaufman's chances to win after this WHOPPER of a mistake by the Connie are excellent!
lkaufman wrote:
I'm able to log in again now, thanks to Sam. I play 34.hxg6. My only chance is to weaken the Black king. ..Re5 was a bit strange looking, but perhaps not a bad move.
Well Connie finally goes haywire with all of the possible Pins,Skewers,Discovered Checks ,Forks and Captures
She decides to recapture the P in the worst possible way with the disastrous ...
34..Qxg6
[d]6k1/p1pr1p1p/1p4q1/3nr1B1/2Bp2R1/1Q6/P4P1K/8 w - - 0 34
Excellently played by GM Kaufman
Hopefully she can still cling on to the draw
Sigh Regards
Steve
It will be interesting to see GM Kaufman's reply. Black's ...Qg6 does not look as bad to me as maybe it should.
I think that after this move Larry is likely to win the game, even if Connie still technically has the win (which I'm not at all sure of.)
Unless I am blinded, after the obvious Qg3 white gets most of the material back (netither h5 or f5 seems to help, because of Qxe5 and later Qe8+ Qxd7 or Qxe5-Bxd5+, respectively), which means Connie is toasted. The black pawns will start falling like flies.
lkaufman wrote:
I'm able to log in again now, thanks to Sam. I play 34.hxg6. My only chance is to weaken the Black king. ..Re5 was a bit strange looking, but perhaps not a bad move.
Well Connie finally goes haywire with all of the possible Pins,Skewers,Discovered Checks ,Forks and Captures
She decides to recapture the P in the worst possible way with the disastrous ...
34..Qxg6
[d]6k1/p1pr1p1p/1p4q1/3nr1B1/2Bp2R1/1Q6/P4P1K/8 w - - 0 34
Excellently played by GM Kaufman
Hopefully she can still cling on to the draw
Sigh Regards
Steve
It will be interesting to see GM Kaufman's reply. Black's ...Qg6 does not look as bad to me as maybe it should.
I think that after this move Larry is likely to win the game, even if Connie still technically has the win (which I'm not at all sure of.)
The Connie may have a difficult win and certainly a draw but it won't handle it correctly. I guess the Connie made this blunder due to too many options and the depth is well beyond her horizon. A little K-Safety & Pawn capture knowledge would have gone a long way.
