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Strange... but I will try to reproduce this tomorrow in a windows 64 system (I don't have that at home).Frank Quisinsky wrote:Hi Miguel,
Ordo 1.2.2 x64 crashed directly under W7 with my i7 4th systems. Ordo 1.2.2 w32 works fine.
Best
Frank
Clearly, I messed up when I optimized the OppD calculation (which was really slow for giant databases). I saw this problem and I thought I fixed it but apparently not (I tested this, arghhh...). The program is seeing by mistake that if you play engine A with white and engine B with black, as two different opponents. That is why it is almost double. I will correct it.Frank Quisinsky wrote:55 opp. maximal here ...
Have a look on OppD ... can't be right ... should be max. 55!!
w32 version ... x64 crashed directly, have a look in my other message!
Best
Frank
PS: Current list each one against each other with all games I have, shortly before Arasan test-run ended and missed matches for Texel ended.
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# Player : Elo Games Score% won draw lost Points Draw% Error OppAvg OppE OppD 1 Komodo 9.42 x64 : 3193.23 2749 87.9 2121 593 35 2417.5 21.6 14.36 2807.97 10.57 107.0 2 Stockfish 7 KP BMI2 x64 : 3166.75 2749 86.3 2016 714 19 2373.0 26.0 13.73 2808.45 10.57 109.0 3 Houdini 4 STD B x64 : 3095.59 2249 78.8 1424 698 127 1773.0 31.0 13.30 2841.35 10.51 86.0 4 Fire 4 x64 : 3049.25 2249 74.5 1255 840 154 1675.0 37.3 12.01 2842.38 10.52 88.0 5 GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64 : 3045.50 2249 74.1 1243 847 159 1666.5 37.7 13.09 2842.47 10.48 85.0 6 Equinox 3.30 x64 : 3001.95 2249 69.5 1086 955 208 1563.5 42.5 11.48 2843.44 10.55 88.0 7 Fritz 15 x64 : 2997.35 2249 69.0 1093 918 238 1552.0 40.8 11.79 2843.54 10.53 89.0 8 Critter 1.6a x64 : 2989.92 2249 68.2 1056 955 238 1533.5 42.5 11.42 2843.70 10.51 88.0 9 Protector 1.9.0 x64 : 2950.32 2249 63.6 927 1006 316 1430.0 44.7 11.26 2844.58 10.53 89.0 10 Andscacs 0.85 POP x64 : 2949.49 2749 67.0 1298 1090 361 1843.0 39.7 10.47 2812.40 10.63 109.0 11 Nirvanachess 2.2 POP x64 : 2939.43 2249 62.3 901 999 349 1400.5 44.4 10.64 2844.83 10.58 86.0 12 iCE 3.0 v658 POP x64 : 2928.83 2249 61.0 891 961 397 1371.5 42.7 11.77 2845.06 10.50 89.0 13 Chiron 2.0 x64 : 2913.75 2749 62.9 1186 1087 476 1729.5 39.5 10.31 2813.05 10.63 109.0 14 Hannibal 1.5 x64 : 2910.93 2449 60.4 951 1058 440 1480.0 43.2 10.74 2831.40 10.57 96.0 15 Texel 1.05 x64 : 2906.05 2740 61.9 1126 1140 474 1696.0 41.6 10.58 2814.10 10.59 101.3 16 Naum 4.6 x64 : 2890.00 2749 60.1 1043 1216 490 1651.0 44.2 9.87 2813.48 10.61 104.0 17 SmarThink 1.80 AVX x64 : 2844.82 2749 54.4 943 1107 699 1496.5 40.3 10.03 2814.30 10.64 109.0 18 Fizbo 1.6 x64 : 2844.36 2749 54.4 861 1268 620 1495.0 46.1 9.71 2814.31 10.65 109.0 19 Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64 : 2842.23 2749 54.1 893 1189 667 1487.5 43.3 10.13 2814.35 10.65 107.0 20 Hakkapeliitta 3.0 x64 : 2835.46 2749 53.3 915 1098 736 1464.0 39.9 9.85 2814.47 10.65 108.0 21 Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32 : 2830.20 2749 52.6 866 1159 724 1445.5 42.2 9.58 2814.57 10.63 105.0 22 Sjeng c't 2010 w32 : 2806.96 2749 49.6 805 1118 826 1364.0 40.7 9.97 2814.99 10.63 108.0 23 Vajolet2 2.1 POP x64 : 2799.74 2749 48.7 735 1207 807 1338.5 43.9 9.87 2815.12 10.65 109.0 24 Cheng 4.39 x64 : 2799.15 2749 48.6 757 1159 833 1336.5 42.2 9.86 2815.14 10.65 109.0 25 Shredder 12 x64 : 2797.33 2748 48.4 723 1213 812 1329.5 44.1 10.10 2815.19 10.62 105.0 26 Junior 13.3.00 x64 : 2793.72 2749 47.9 757 1121 871 1317.5 40.8 10.11 2815.23 10.61 108.0 27 Spike 1.4 Leiden w32 : 2784.01 2749 46.7 712 1142 895 1283.0 41.5 9.89 2815.41 10.64 110.0 28 DiscoCheck 5.2.1 x64 : 2781.68 2749 46.4 733 1084 932 1275.0 39.4 10.11 2815.45 10.61 105.0 29 Quazar 0.4 x64 : 2774.02 2748 45.4 652 1191 905 1247.5 43.3 9.93 2815.61 10.61 107.0 30 Booot 5.2.0 x64 : 2771.06 2748 45.0 687 1100 961 1237.0 40.0 9.42 2815.67 10.65 109.0 31 Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64 : 2762.18 2748 43.9 590 1232 926 1206.0 44.8 10.03 2815.83 10.63 108.0 32 Arasan 18.3 POP x64 : 2758.07 2667 43.2 577 1152 938 1153.0 43.2 10.30 2816.93 10.63 110.0 33 Zappa Mexico II x64 : 2752.00 2748 42.6 572 1197 979 1170.5 43.6 10.08 2816.01 10.65 108.0 34 Spark 1.0 x64 : 2751.14 2748 42.5 584 1167 997 1167.5 42.5 9.90 2816.03 10.63 104.0 35 Doch 1.3.4 JA x64 : 2748.41 2748 42.1 566 1184 998 1158.0 43.1 9.82 2816.08 10.63 109.0 36 Thinker 5.4d Inert x64 : 2743.22 2748 41.5 558 1164 1026 1140.0 42.4 10.19 2816.17 10.64 108.0 37 TogaII 280513 Intel w32 : 2736.13 2748 40.6 570 1091 1087 1115.5 39.7 9.97 2816.30 10.63 109.0 38 Tornado 5.0 SSE4 x64 : 2730.60 2748 39.9 569 1055 1124 1096.5 38.4 10.26 2816.40 10.59 104.0 39 Crafty 25.0.1 JA POP x64 : 2729.73 2748 39.8 543 1101 1104 1093.5 40.1 9.82 2816.42 10.65 107.0 40 Atlas 3.80 x64 : 2729.58 2748 39.8 545 1096 1107 1093.0 39.9 10.09 2816.42 10.63 108.0 41 EXchess 7.88b x64 : 2728.30 2748 39.6 552 1073 1123 1088.5 39.0 10.06 2816.45 10.62 106.0 42 Gaviota 1.0 AVX x64 : 2727.25 2748 39.5 550 1070 1128 1085.0 38.9 9.98 2816.46 10.62 106.0 43 Dirty 03NOV2015 POP x64 : 2727.13 2748 39.5 530 1109 1109 1084.5 40.4 9.75 2816.47 10.65 109.0 44 Nemo 1.01 Beta POP x64 : 2712.18 2748 37.6 485 1098 1165 1034.0 40.0 10.01 2816.74 10.64 108.0 45 Bobcat 7.1 x64 : 2707.29 2247 41.4 464 934 849 931.0 41.6 10.93 2778.05 10.36 89.0 46 Murka 3 x64 : 2705.69 2298 40.8 419 1039 840 938.5 45.2 10.38 2781.03 10.41 90.0 47 Pedone 1.2 BMI2 x64 : 2700.47 2748 36.2 426 1137 1185 994.5 41.4 9.81 2816.95 10.65 109.0 48 Rodent II 0.8.7 x64 : 2685.33 2748 34.4 432 1025 1291 944.5 37.3 10.02 2817.23 10.62 105.0 49 DisasterArea 1.54 x64 : 2682.15 2297 37.8 362 1013 922 868.5 44.1 10.66 2781.39 10.36 87.3 50 Scorpio 2.77 JA POP x64 : 2674.83 2298 36.9 406 882 1010 847.0 38.4 11.03 2781.70 10.38 91.0 51 GNU Chess5 5.60 x64 : 2674.54 2247 37.2 379 913 955 835.5 40.6 10.89 2778.78 10.39 86.0 52 Glaurung 2.2 JA x64 : 2661.74 2248 35.5 332 934 982 799.0 41.5 10.91 2779.23 10.35 88.0 53 Rhetoric 1.4.3 POP x64 : 2657.03 2247 35.0 338 896 1013 786.0 39.9 11.22 2779.17 10.37 89.0 54 The Baron 3.29 x64 : 2651.15 2298 33.9 361 836 1101 779.0 36.4 10.73 2782.22 10.34 87.0 55 Octochess r5190 SSE4 x64 : 2641.21 2247 33.0 305 874 1068 742.0 38.9 11.29 2779.52 10.37 88.0 56 BugChess2 1.9 POP x64 : 2619.99 2244 30.5 290 789 1165 684.5 35.2 11.51 2779.83 10.36 89.0 White advantage = 36.03 +/- 1.02 Draw rate (equal opponents) = 48.80 % +/- 0.22
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@ECHO off
Ordo_122-x64.exe -a 2890 -A "Naum 4.6 x64" -p 1.pgn -o ordo122.txt -j programs.txt -b columns.txt -N2 -QEWDV -U "0,1,4,5,7,8,9,3,10,2,11,12,14" -s1000
rem open results with notepad
notepad ordo122.txt
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0, 0, "Player"
1, 6, "Elo"
2, 5, "Error"
3, 7, "Points"
4, 5, "Games"
5, 5, "Score%"
6, 11, "CFS(next)"
7, 4, "won"
8, 4, "draw"
9, 4, "lost"
10, 5, "Draw%"
11, 6, "OppAvg"
12, 6, "OppE"
13, 6, "OppN"
14, 6, "OppD"
Great.Frank Quisinsky wrote:Hi Miguel,
I have to say thanks for your great tool again and again!
Best
Frank
batch file ...
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@ECHO off Ordo_122-x64.exe -a 2890 -A "Naum 4.6 x64" -p 1.pgn -o ordo122.txt -j programs.txt -b columns.txt -N2 -QEWDV -U "0,1,4,5,7,8,9,3,10,2,11,12,14" -s1000 rem open results with notepad notepad ordo122.txt
columns.txt file ...
Try to reproduce with my database v 4.06 ...Code: Select all
0, 0, "Player" 1, 6, "Elo" 2, 5, "Error" 3, 7, "Points" 4, 5, "Games" 5, 5, "Score%" 6, 11, "CFS(next)" 7, 4, "won" 8, 4, "draw" 9, 4, "lost" 10, 5, "Draw%" 11, 6, "OppAvg" 12, 6, "OppE" 13, 6, "OppN" 14, 6, "OppD"
http://www.amateurschach.de/download/_f ... -v4.06.zip
v4.07 will be available tomorrow in the night!
Best
Frank
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# PLAYER : RATING PLAYED (%) W D L POINTS D(%) ERROR OppAvg OppErr OppDiv
1 Komodo 9.42 x64 : 3192.57 2750 87.9 2122 593 35 2418.5 21.6 14.60 2806.90 10.56 55.0
2 Stockfish 7 KP BMI2 x64 : 3165.52 2750 86.3 2015 716 19 2373.0 26.0 14.38 2807.39 10.56 55.0
3 Houdini 4 STD B x64 : 3096.62 2250 79.0 1430 695 125 1777.5 30.9 13.05 2840.20 10.50 45.0
4 Fire 4 x64 : 3049.64 2200 74.3 1225 821 154 1635.5 37.3 12.47 2843.83 10.51 44.0
5 GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64 : 3045.79 2200 74.0 1213 828 159 1627.0 37.6 12.35 2843.92 10.51 44.0Code: Select all
Games = 205300 (without a result = 0)
Players = 134
Clusters = 1
Date Range: 2014.03.28 - 2016.04.11
Games with: WhiteElo = 0 BlackElo = 0 Both = 0
White Wins = 71157 ( 34.66 % )
Draws = 81417 ( 39.66 % )
Black Wins = 52726 ( 25.68 % )
White Pct = 54.49 %
Black Pct = 45.51 %
ECO: Total = 205300 A: 39038 B: 47865 C: 41355 D: 40482 E: 36560
PlyCount: Total = 205300 Range: 37-598 Average = 175.84 StdDev = 69.76
finished: be sure to rename/copy outSummaryI think I fixed the bugs exposed in the Windows version:Frank Quisinsky wrote:Hi Miguel,
I am using Ordo 1.2.2 w32 ...
Renamed your "ordo-win32.exe" file to ... Ordo_122-x64.exe ... (so I must not changed my bat file) ... and saw the "OppD" problem.
Do that with my current database and the games I have shortly before Arasan test-run and Texel "Missed matches" ended.
Again ...
If I try the same with your 1.2.2 "ordo-win64.exe" file ... renamend to "Ordo_122-x64.exe" I got ...
http://www.amateurschach.de/common/ordo ... roblem.png
You can see on this pic ... Total Commander (GUI I am using, sure you know this program) and the W7 error message in German language after I am starting my batch file. The same batch file works fine with your w32 version.
Best
Frank
Hi Frank,Frank Quisinsky wrote:Hi Miguel,
I have a big wish ...
I wish me a prameter for "Move average".
Example:
Arasan have so far a move average in the current test-run from 89 moves. Better is to display 89,25 moves.
This is an important information for further statistics ... example ... Stockfish with or without contempt.
Or if I select out 1-0 or 0-1 games and I have interest to create from such a database a new statistic ... for playing style questions.
I know that in all other available rating systems testers using resign=on. This is bad for further statistics. I am using in all of my games ... resign=off. Better stats are possible if games ended with draw or mate.
It would be nice if I can display the information with move average. More easy for me as to look in ChessBase for move average ...
or ...
Norm Pollock have the information to move average in his summary file.
Example of summary file:
You can see on the end of the file ...Code: Select all
Games = 205300 (without a result = 0) Players = 134 Clusters = 1 Date Range: 2014.03.28 - 2016.04.11 Games with: WhiteElo = 0 BlackElo = 0 Both = 0 White Wins = 71157 ( 34.66 % ) Draws = 81417 ( 39.66 % ) Black Wins = 52726 ( 25.68 % ) White Pct = 54.49 % Black Pct = 45.51 % ECO: Total = 205300 A: 39038 B: 47865 C: 41355 D: 40482 E: 36560 PlyCount: Total = 205300 Range: 37-598 Average = 175.84 StdDev = 69.76 finished: be sure to rename/copy outSummary
Average 175,84 ... = 87,92 moves!!
So I have it but only for the complete database!!
I will see that information for each listed engine in a rating list.
Again ...
Very important ...
You can see directly the trick Houdart is working ... move average is 20 moves higher (again 20 moves in average higher) as from Stockfish or Komodo because Houdart is working with an extrem contempt. Same for DiscoCheck ...
Nice other information can be see with such an output to move average.
Best
Frank