Ovyron wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:35 am
Zenmastur wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:12 am
I've noticed some unusual and VERY interesting behaviors as well.
Yeah, I had a record time of analysis obsolescence. Before NNUE I could count about a 11 months window (analysis from around September 2019 was becoming obsolete.) After NNUE, I can say that ALL my analysis with Stockfish dev became obsolete in one shot (because it's unreliable, the analysis can't be mixed, because the backsolved wrong score of a single Stockfish dev analyzed line could mess everything up.)
I can finally say that all the positions I've analyzed have been nothing but wasted time now

- but NNUE has leveled the field, and draw rates have gone down, there has never been a better point to start from scratch!
UPDATE - The field has leveled nothing now, even people that do daily updates to their books have sunk in elo and are struggling to recover it. Realistically I'm playing some 100 elo higher than before NNUE, but my elo has sunk to 100 less than what it was before, because the bigger your hardware the better NNUE gets, so the people at the top increased over their already high performance, while the below average performance can't hold up.
The skill level has greatly widened.
While before I could be out-searched by 10 depth and still survive, now being outsearched by 3 depth can be fatal. The score can be 0.30 now, 1.30 3 depths later. The analysis of the first net I downloaded is getting obsolete now, I wonder how long current one will last.
It's as if what NNUE did was getting the game into the most difficult positions that it can, if you think about it that's like Contempt on steroids, once you're on those positions every node searched counts, this might have been the point in history where hardware became more important than the book used.