Mate in 3 moves before the FIDE rules changed in 1974
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M ANSARI
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Re: Mate in 3 moves before the FIDE rules changed in 1974
Exactly! It is quite obvious that they are talking about the rook moving from its original starting position. But it does leave some wiggle room for some funky interpretations. Interesting, and shows you that you never know what you think you really know
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OliverBr
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Re: Mate in 3 moves before the FIDE rules changed in 1974
Did you know that until 1903 you could skip promotion and let the pawn rest on the 8th rank?M ANSARI wrote:Exactly! It is quite obvious that they are talking about the rook moving from its original starting position. But it does leave some wiggle room for some funky interpretations. Interesting, and shows you that you never know what you think you really know
This would have been useful in this position:
[d]K7/pP5r/k7/8/8/8/8/b7 w - - 0 1
Only 1. b8=P! would give a draw (stalemate). Any other move loses.
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pijl
Re: Mate in 3 moves before the FIDE rules changed in 1974
... as putting a piece on the board during the game (by promotion) is moving a piece as wellhgm wrote:Rest assured that this kind of 'castling' has _never_ been legal, even before the rule change. I don't even think the original rules were ambiguous in this respect. Surely a Rook that is obtained through promotion must have been moved, as it was not on that square in the opening setup.
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Jim Walker
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Re: Mate in 3 moves before the FIDE rules changed in 1974
It can be argued that Rook did not exist in the opening setup. It came iinto existance only upon promotion of the pawn and therefore has never moved (yet).hgm wrote:Rest assured that this kind of 'castling' has _never_ been legal, even before the rule change. I don't even think the original rules were ambiguous in this respect. Surely a Rook that is obtained through promotion must have been moved, as it was not on that square in the opening setup.
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hgm
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Re: Mate in 3 moves before the FIDE rules changed in 1974
Sure, there is a very far-fetched interpretation, which made the rules slightly ambiguous. Which is why the wording was changed.
But the act that the rules could be disputed with virtually zero chance for success is really very far from that it would have been allowed. It was never allowed, and the wording was changed to remove the illusion that it might be.
But the act that the rules could be disputed with virtually zero chance for success is really very far from that it would have been allowed. It was never allowed, and the wording was changed to remove the illusion that it might be.