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[kranium]

I said many times that I support him because he is my friend. And I don't abandon my friends when they have tough times. And I resent your goddam lies.

Yes, VR is a really nice guy. But you should ask yourself: Is he nice because he is just a nice guy, or is he nice because he want's your money and in reality he is laughing about you because you spent more than 100 bucks for a copy of an open source engine.

Strange copy that is 350 Elo stronger.

Sorry Albert-

Rybka is history....the author a cheater.
please let's give any chess programmer:

- a 'copy' of a strong open source program as starting point
-oodles of cash for development costs
-dedicated support of a large international corporation
-top notch opening book writers
-Larry Kaufman or some other tech dedicated GM
-a bevy of dedicated beta testers
- a slew of high end multicore systems on which to test
etc.

might not such a large ELO advance occur?
or is Vas (the genius) the only person on Earth capable of such?

Vas took the initiative, cheated, didn't get caught (until now), obtained generous financial support and help, and evaded detection for years...
and he did it long enough to make great progress.

but that's the complete extent of his legacy:
he exhibited exceptional cunning and skill, provided a robust ELO improvement by fooling all (including you) and stealing the opportunity for recognition and financial reward.

i.e. I believe many programmers could have had similar success give the same set of circumstances...
an illegal big improvement does not a legitimate program make...

really sad part of the debacle...so many 'diehard' Rybka fans remain like: yourself, Graham Banks, GTS, etc.
are so willing to go down with the ship (why? because your reputation is staked on it...?)
pitiful really...

[Uri Blass]

I disagree.

I do not feel that Vas cheated me.
I payed for playing strength when I bought Rybka1,Rybka2 and Rybka3
and I do not care if Vas did something illegal to achieve the playing strength because the bottom line is that I got engine that is strong enough and was clearly number 1.

[tomgdrums]

I disagree.

I do not feel that Vas cheated me.
I payed for playing strength when I bought Rybka1,Rybka2 and Rybka3
and I do not care if Vas did something illegal to achieve the playing strength because the bottom line is that I got engine that is strong enough and was clearly number 1.

You sound like one of the children from "Lord of the Flies"

[tomgdrums]

I disagree.

I do not feel that Vas cheated me.
I payed for playing strength when I bought Rybka1,Rybka2 and Rybka3
and I do not care if Vas did something illegal to achieve the playing strength because the bottom line is that I got engine that is strong enough and was clearly number 1.

Now if the FSF does not find anything illegal, it is a different story.

Illegal and disobeying ICGA rules are two different beings.

[Roger Brown]

I disagree.

I do not feel that Vas cheated me.
I payed for playing strength when I bought Rybka1,Rybka2 and Rybka3
and I do not care if Vas did something illegal to achieve the playing strength because the bottom line is that I got engine that is strong enough and was clearly number 1.

At last!

An open and shameless pledge of adoration.

I hope that others are allowed the same leeway.

I admire your honesty....if nothing else.

This is what it really comes down to.

Ah well....

Later.

[Roger Brown]

I said many times that I support him because he is my friend. And I don't abandon my friends when they have tough times. And I resent your goddam lies.

Yes, VR is a really nice guy. But you should ask yourself: Is he nice because he is just a nice guy, or is he nice because he want's your money and in reality he is laughing about you because you spent more than 100 bucks for a copy of an open source engine.

Strange copy that is 350 Elo stronger.

Hello Albert,

I suppose it would be strange if it was 350 Elo weaker?

What if it was just as strong as Fruit?

I am not denying Vas' abilities but the strength improvement argument is somewhat lacking in principle.

It is a copy if it is the same strength or weaker but if the improvement is considerable then it is not a copy?

I really wanted to get away from that line of thinking because at the present day, the opposite case is being made by some - that engine A must be a copy/clone/derivative because it is super strong and it could only have gotten that super strength from Rybka.

It seems inconsistent to me.

Later.

[Albert Silver]

I said many times that I support him because he is my friend. And I don't abandon my friends when they have tough times. And I resent your goddam lies.

Yes, VR is a really nice guy. But you should ask yourself: Is he nice because he is just a nice guy, or is he nice because he want's your money and in reality he is laughing about you because you spent more than 100 bucks for a copy of an open source engine.

Strange copy that is 350 Elo stronger.

Hello Albert,

I suppose it would be strange if it was 350 Elo weaker?

What if it was just as strong as Fruit?

I am not denying Vas' abilities but the strength improvement argument is somewhat lacking in principle.

It is a copy if it is the same strength or weaker but if the improvement is considerable then it is not a copy?

I really wanted to get away from that line of thinking because at the present day, the opposite case is being made by some - that engine A must be a copy/clone/derivative because it is super strong and it could only have gotten that super strength from Rybka.

It seems inconsistent to me.

Later.

For me copy = same. Call it an improved copy, super improved copy, improved clone, all that is fine but 350 Elo is not paying 100 dollars for a copy, it is paying 100 dollars for a program that is 350 Elo stronger than Fruit whatever the origin. You can argue that you would not have bought it if you thought it might have originated from Fruit, which is fine, but people did not pay 100 bucks for a copy, they paid 100 dollars because there was a program that was X Elo stronger than everything else.

[Laskos]

Hi,

I don't think Houdini is illegal and anybody who is complaining that it's illegal is an idiot.

I would like to see the situation resolved regardless of what happens.

I will re-post a dendrogram



To me Critter seemed strange, to some not even Houdini 1.5. Now I will hear the arguments that Sim03 is only about PSTs, and the time control of 100ms/move is too small. Lol.

Kai

[geots]

I said many times that I support him because he is my friend. And I don't abandon my friends when they have tough times. And I resent your goddam lies.

Yes, VR is a really nice guy. But you should ask yourself: Is he nice because he is just a nice guy, or is he nice because he want's your money and in reality he is laughing about you because you spent more than 100 bucks for a copy of an open source engine.

Sorry for the provoking question. It shall not judge the Rybka case. I just want to question your friendship to someone you can't really know. Be always careful with internet friends...

Alex

Check your facts before you make statements that you know absolutely ZERO about, ok. From Rybka 1.0beta right thru to the last version- 4.1, I have them all. And I did not have to spend ONE PENNY. But you say he wants my money and is laughing at me.

As I seem to have to tell EVERYONE who replies to my threads, check your goddam facts before you open your big mouth. It is in there- where I already mentioned it in this same post.

And before you start talking about my siding with him because of the "free Rybkas", it was, let's say, a business arrangement. He got something in exchange for something else.

If I was in your place- I would be ashamed of myself. But I am quite confident you don't care.

Wading in all the lies,

gts

[geots]

That was the most idiotic and untrue statement I believe I have ever heard from you. Do you just make it up as you go along? I once said Vas always responded to an email from me within 24 hrs. I thought that was nice.

I defy you to find ONE DAMNED THREAD that says I post "stuff" in his favor because of any emails. It's not there, and you are lying thru your teeth.

I said many times that I support him because he is my friend. And I don't abandon my friends when they have tough times. And I resent your goddam lies.
GTS

George,
I have reposted, immediately below this, the comment to which you took exception. Any normal person who read the quote below and is aware of the material that you post would infer from the comment that, as a consequence of what you considered to be pleasant email exchanges, you felt some loyalty to Vas and therefore posted in his support. In other words, more or less what you have just explained.

My mistake was to assume that my post would only be read by normal people.

George has told us that he posts his “stuff” because Vas once sent him some nice emails.

Ok, you admit you spoke about me and my decisions without any evidence, and what you said was there- WAS NOT.

Now you change gears, and say that "oh, you thought it would be read by normal people who could make assumptions based on bullshit".

You and your "normal people" couldn't find your ass with a mirror on a stick.

gts