World Chess Championship (Game 6)

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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 6)

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[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.21"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "82"]
[EventDate "2008.10.21"]
[EventRounds "6"]
[EventCountry "GER"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Qc2 d5 5. cxd5 Qxd5 6. Nf3 Qf5 7. Qb3 Nc6 8.
Bd2 O-O 9. h3 b6 10. g4 Qa5 11. Rc1 Bb7 12. a3 Bxc3 13. Bxc3 Qd5 14. Qxd5 Nxd5
15. Bd2 Nf6 16. Rg1 Rac8 17. Bg2 Ne7 18. Bb4 c5 19. dxc5 Rfd8 20. Ne5 Bxg2 21.
Rxg2 bxc5 22. Rxc5 Ne4 23. Rxc8 Rxc8 24. Nd3 Nd5 25. Bd2 Rc2 26. Bc1 f5 27. Kd1
Rc8 28. f3 Nd6 29. Ke1 a5 30. e3 e5 31. gxf5 e4 32. fxe4 Nxe4 33. Bd2 a4 34.
Nf2 Nd6 35. Rg4 Nc4 36. e4 Nf6 37. Rg3 Nxb2 38. e5 Nd5 39. f6 Kf7 40. Ne4 Nc4
41. fxg7 Kg8 *

[d]2r3k1/6Pp/8/3nP3/p1n1N3/P5RP/3B4/4K3 w - - 0 42
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 6)

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Albert Silver wrote:
Anil wrote:Is Anand doing this deliberately ... to give Kramnik some hope?

I am sure after this game, Anand will re-work on his chess tactics. :)
Most are happening after move 30, so it may also be a physical conditioning problem.
Yup! You may be right. Anand must have sensed that he is winning clearly and is becoming complacent. Good to know... so that he has some room for improvement. Hope it is not due to physical conditioning problem.
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 6)

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Terry McCracken wrote: Anand blundered! 41. Rxg7+! wins easily.

I'm probably being pedantic here, but I've always thought of a blunder as being a losing move and that this is just an inaccuracy. :)
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 6)

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Anil wrote:Is Anand doing this deliberately ... to give Kramnik some hope?
Playing fxg7 instead of Rxg7.

I am sure after this game, Anand will re-work on his chess tactics. :)

.... Kg8 played.

Looks like both these Super-Grandmasters are making big big blunders almost every single move according to engines...

Terry, so you still think GM's are better in timed games? :wink:
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 6)

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rlsuth wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote: Anand blundered! 41. Rxg7+! wins easily.

I'm probably being pedantic here, but I've always thought of a blunder as being a losing move and that this is just an inaccuracy. :)
Couple more of these and you too would be proven correct :x
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 6)

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swami wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote: Yes, Kramnik made several poor moves. Anand should go on to win easily.

Kramnik is out of this match.
Well, Anand do make blunders as well... fxg7 is not so good move.

Engine thinks white is now at +2.37.

Anand missed the easy winning move.

Anand,V - Kramnik,V, WCC 2008 Bonn 2008
2r5/5kPp/8/3nP3/p1n1N3/P5RP/3B4/4K3 b - - 0 1

Analysis by bright-0.3a:

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41...Nxd2 42.Nd6+ Kg8 43.Nxc8 
  +-  (5.21)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
41...Ne7 42.Nd6+ Nxd6 43.exd6 
  +-  (2.55)   Depth: 1/8   00:00:00
41...Rd8 
  +-  (2.46)   Depth: 1/8   00:00:00
41...Rd8 
  +-  (2.46)   Depth: 1/8   00:00:00
41...Rg8 42.Nd6+ Nxd6 43.exd6 
  +-  (2.44)   Depth: 1/8   00:00:00
41...h5 
  +-  (2.40)   Depth: 1/8   00:00:00
41...Kg8 42.Nf6+ Nxf6 43.exf6 
  +-  (2.22)   Depth: 1/8   00:00:00
41...Kg8 42.Nf6+ Nxf6 43.exf6 Re8+ 44.Kd1 
  +-  (2.20)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
41...Kg8 42.Nf6+ Nxf6 43.exf6 Re8+ 44.Kd1 
  +-  (2.20)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00
41...Kg8 42.Nf6+ Nxf6 43.exf6 Re8+ 44.Kd1 
  +-  (2.20)   Depth: 4/10   00:00:00
41...Kg8 42.Nf6+ Nxf6 43.exf6 Re8+ 44.Kd1 Rd8 
  +-  (2.23)   Depth: 5/10   00:00:00
41...Rg8 42.Nd6+ Nxd6 43.exd6 Ke6 44.Ke2 Kxd6 
  +-  (1.92)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00
41...Rg8 42.Nd6+ Nxd6 43.exd6 Ke6 44.Ke2 Kxd6 45.Kd3 Ke6 
  +-  (1.85)   Depth: 6/14   00:00:00  23kN
41...Rg8 42.Nd6+ Nxd6 43.exd6 Ke6 44.Ke2 Kxd6 45.Kd3 Ke6 
  +-  (1.85)   Depth: 7/19   00:00:00  54kN
41...Kg8 42.Rd3 Ndb6 43.Bf4 Kxg7 44.Ke2 Re8 
  +-  (1.63)   Depth: 7/19   00:00:00  114kN
41...Kg8 42.Rd3 Nc7 43.Rd7 Ne8 44.Nf6+ Nxf6 45.exf6 Nxa3 46.Ke2 Nc4 
  +-  (1.87)   Depth: 8/22   00:00:00  181kN
41...Kg8 42.Rd3 Nc7 43.Rd7 Ne8 44.Nf6+ Nxf6 45.exf6 Nb6 46.Rd3 Nc4 47.Ke2 Re8+ 48.Be3 Nxe3 49.Rxe3 
  +-  (2.55)   Depth: 9/36   00:00:00  250kN
41...Rg8 42.Nd6+ Nxd6 43.exd6 Ke6 44.Ke2 Nf6 45.Bb4 Kf7 46.Ke3 Rxg7 47.Rxg7+ Kxg7 
  +-  (2.16)   Depth: 9/36   00:00:00  499kN
41...Rg8 42.Nd6+ Nxd6 43.exd6 Ke6 44.Ke2 Nf6 45.Bc3 Nd5 46.Kd3 Nxc3 47.Kxc3 Kxd6 
  +-  (2.03)   Depth: 10/36   00:00:00  947kN
41...Rg8 42.Nd6+ Nxd6 43.exd6 Ke6 44.Ke2 Nf6 45.Bc3 Nd5 46.Kd3 Nxc3 47.Kxc3 Kxd6 
  +-  (2.03)   Depth: 11/36   00:00:00  1660kN
41...Rg8 42.Nd6+ Nxd6 43.exd6 Ke6 44.Ke2 Nf6 45.Bc3 Nd5 46.Kd3 Nxc3 47.Kxc3 Kxd6 48.Kb4 Ke6 49.Kxa4 
  +-  (2.15)   Depth: 12/36   00:00:00  3476kN
41...Rg8 42.Nd6+ Nxd6 43.exd6 Ke6 44.Ke2 Kxd6 45.Kd3 Nf6 46.Bc3 Ke6 47.Kc4 Ne4 48.Re3 Rc8+ 49.Kd4 
  +-  (2.01)   Depth: 13/36   00:00:01  8355kN
41...Rg8 42.Nd6+ Nxd6 43.exd6 Ke6 44.h4 Nf6 45.Bc3 Nd5 46.Bd4 Kxd6 47.h5 Nf4 48.h6 Kd5 49.Rf3 Ne6 
  +-  (2.27)   Depth: 14/36   00:00:02  13374kN
41...Rg8 42.Nd6+ Nxd6 43.exd6 Ke6 44.h4 Nf6 45.Bc3 Nd5 46.Kd2 Kxd6 47.h5 Nxc3 48.Kxc3 h6 49.Kb4 Ke6 50.Kxa4 Kf7 
  +-  (2.26)   Depth: 15/38   00:00:04  28797kN
41...Rg8 42.Nd6+ Nxd6 43.exd6 Ke6 44.h4 Nf6 45.Bc3 Nd5 46.Kd2 Kxd6 47.h5 Nxc3 48.Kxc3 h6 49.Kb4 Ke6 50.Kxa4 Kf7 
  +-  (2.26)   Depth: 16/38   00:00:08  51922kN
41...Rg8 42.Nd6+ Nxd6 43.exd6 Ke6 44.h4 Kxd6 45.h5 Nf6 46.h6 Ke6 47.Ke2 Rc8 48.Kf3 Rd8 49.Bf4 Rd3+ 50.Ke2 Rxg3 51.Bxg3 
  +-  (2.47)   Depth: 17/38   00:00:18  117mN
41...Rg8 42.Nd6+ Nxd6 43.exd6 Ke6 44.h4 Nf6 45.Bc3 Nd5 46.Kd2 Kxd6 47.h5 Nxc3 48.Kxc3 h6 49.Kb4 Ke6 50.Kxa4 Kf7 51.Kb4 Rc8 
  +-  (2.65)   Depth: 18/40   00:00:36  235mN
41...Rg8 42.Nd6+ Nxd6 43.exd6 Ke6 44.h4 Nf6 45.Bc3 Nd5 46.Kd2 Kxd6 47.h5 Nxc3 48.Kxc3 h6 49.Kb4 Ke6 50.Kxa4 Kf7 51.Kb4 Rb8+ 52.Kc5 Kg8 
  +-  (2.37)   Depth: 19/44   00:01:42  667mN
It is possible that anand calculated a different win and I doubt if you can call
his move blunder.

There may be more than one correct move.

Uri
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 6)

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rlsuth wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote: Anand blundered! 41. Rxg7+! wins easily.

I'm probably being pedantic here, but I've always thought of a blunder as being a losing move and that this is just an inaccuracy. :)
It appears that the new definition of a blunder is "move that causes a severe score drop in engine analysis (more than 1 point drop)" ;)
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 6)

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Uri Blass wrote: It is possible that anand calculated a different win and I doubt if you can call
his move blunder.

There may be more than one correct move.

Uri
Ofcourse, but the gap in evaluation score between the one Anand made and the one the engine thinks is very HUGE ~ by almost +4.0 score difference! (which btw is equivalent to minor piece and a pawn)
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 6)

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Uri Blass wrote:It is possible that anand calculated a different win and I doubt if you can call
his move blunder.

There may be more than one correct move.

Uri
Looking at how things are going, Anand seems to be searching for a clear path to victory here... with Kramnik showing a Never Give Up attitude.
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 6)

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Uri Blass wrote:It is possible that anand calculated a different win and I doubt if you can call
his move blunder.

There may be more than one correct move.

Uri
I tend to agree. It is not much different that a test position in which the engine discovers an alternate win, that is not quite as accurate the desired solution.
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