Carlsen or Nepomniachtchi – Who will win?

[Chessqueen]

I read they did some steps to prevent losing with queen handicap but I still suspect that you can draw with stockfish with a big handicap.

I do not believe that they made it strong enough to beat a 1550 rated engine like Cicada. I will test it in 10 minutes.

Here is the game in progress
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.12.17"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish_14.1_win_x64_avx2"]
[Black "Cicada"]
[Result "0-1"]
[BlackElo "1700"]
[Time "15:16:56"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "time forfeit"]
[PlyCount "70"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]


1. e3 Nc6 2. Bb5 e5 3. Bxc6 dxc6 4. Ne2 Bc5 5. b3 Bg4 6. Ba3 Bb6 7. Bb2
Bxe2 8. Kxe2 Qg5 9. Na3 Qxg2 10. Rhg1 Qxh2 11. Rh1 Qg2 12. Rag1 Qd5 13. Rh5
Kf8 14. Rxe5 Qd7 15. Nc4 f6 16. Rh5 Ne7 17. Ba3 Qe8 18. Rgh1 Qg6 19. Bxe7+
Kxe7 20. d3 f5 21. Kd2 c5 22. a4 a6 23. Nxb6 cxb6 24. Ke2 Kd6 25. R5h2 Rae8
26. Kd2 h6 27. Rh5 Kc6 28. R5h2 Qg5 29. Rh5 Qg4 30. Kc1 f4 31. R5h3 Qe2 32.
R1h2 Qe1+ 33. Kb2 fxe3 34. fxe3 Rxe3 35. Rh1 Qf2 36. R3h2 Qf6+ 37. Kb1 Rhe8
38. Rc1 Qc3 39. Rhh1 Rxd3 40. Rh4 {White resigns} *[/pgn]

[Uri Blass]

I read they did some steps to prevent losing with queen handicap but I still suspect that you can draw with stockfish with a big handicap.

I do not believe that they made it strong enough to beat a 1550 rated engine like Cicada. I will test it in 10 minutes.

Here is the game in progress
[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.12.17"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish_14.1_win_x64_avx2"]
[Black "Cicada"]
[Result ""]
[BlackElo "1700"]
[Time "15:16:56"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "time forfeit"]
[PlyCount "70"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e3 Nc6 2. Bb5 e5 3. Bxc6 dxc6 4. Ne2 Bc5 5. b3 Bg4 6. Ba3 Bb6 7. Bb2
Bxe2 8. Kxe2 Qg5 9. Na3 Qxg2 10. Rhg1 Qxh2 11. Rh1 Qg2 12. Rag1 Qd5 13. Rh5
Kf8 14. Rxe5 Qd7 15. Nc4 f6 16. Rh5 Ne7 17. Ba3 Qe8 18. Rgh1 Qg6 19. Bxe7+
Kxe7 20. d3 f5 21. Kd2 c5 22. a4 a6 23. Nxb6 cxb6 24. Ke2 Kd6 25. R5h2 Rae8
26. Kd2 h6 27. Rh5 Kc6 28. R5h2 Qg5 29. Rh5 Qg4 30. Kc1 f4 31. R5h3 Qe2 32.
R1h2 Qe1+ 33. Kb2 fxe3 34. fxe3 Rxe3 35. Rh1 Qf2[/pgn]

The changes that they did were not to win with less material but to prevent losing with black after a line like 1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nc6 3.Qxf7+ after proving that it is possible to beat old stockfish at 1+1 with this line.

[Chessqueen]

I read they did some steps to prevent losing with queen handicap but I still suspect that you can draw with stockfish with a big handicap.

I do not believe that they made it strong enough to beat a 1550 rated engine like Cicada. I will test it in 10 minutes.

The changes that they did were not to win with less material but to prevent losing with black after a line like 1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nc6 3.Qxf7+ after proving that it is possible to beat old stockfish at 1+1 with this line.

Now I am wondering if Komodo Dragon 2.5.1 can beat Cicada rated 1550 with this Queen Odds and what Contempt to set it up ?

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.12.17"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish_14.1_win_x64_avx2"]
[Black "Cicada"]
[Result "0-1"]
[BlackElo "1700"]
[Time "15:16:56"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "time forfeit"]
[PlyCount "70"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]


1. e3 Nc6 2. Bb5 e5 3. Bxc6 dxc6 4. Ne2 Bc5 5. b3 Bg4 6. Ba3 Bb6 7. Bb2
Bxe2 8. Kxe2 Qg5 9. Na3 Qxg2 10. Rhg1 Qxh2 11. Rh1 Qg2 12. Rag1 Qd5 13. Rh5
Kf8 14. Rxe5 Qd7 15. Nc4 f6 16. Rh5 Ne7 17. Ba3 Qe8 18. Rgh1 Qg6 19. Bxe7+
Kxe7 20. d3 f5 21. Kd2 c5 22. a4 a6 23. Nxb6 cxb6 24. Ke2 Kd6 25. R5h2 Rae8
26. Kd2 h6 27. Rh5 Kc6 28. R5h2 Qg5 29. Rh5 Qg4 30. Kc1 f4 31. R5h3 Qe2 32.
R1h2 Qe1+ 33. Kb2 fxe3 34. fxe3 Rxe3 35. Rh1 Qf2 36. R3h2 Qf6+ 37. Kb1 Rhe8
38. Rc1 Qc3 39. Rhh1 Rxd3 40. Rh4 {White resigns} *[/pgn]

[Chessqueen]

This is what all mighty Stockfish lack, a contempt settings to beat weak engines with a Queen Odds. I love how Komodo Dragon 2.5.1. does it, and I only set the contempt to 65

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.12.17"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Dragon-2.5-64bit-avx2"]
[Black "Cicada"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "1700"]
[Time "16:10:43"]
[WhiteElo "3600"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "159"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 Nc6 2. Nf3 e5 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d3 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. h3 Nd4 7. Nxd4 exd4
8. O-O Be6 9. Re1 Bb4 10. Re4 Nf6 11. Re2 Kd7 12. Bxe6+ fxe6 13. Bg5 h6 14.
Bh4 Qf8 15. a3 Bd6 16. Nd2 Nd5 17. Ne4 Bf4 18. Bg3 e5 19. Kh1 Bxg3 20. Nxg3
Qf6 21. Ne4 Qg6 22. f3 Qb6 23. Ra2 Rad8 24. Kh2 Kc8 25. a4 Nb4 26. Ra1 Qc6
27. Rf2 Rhf8 28. Ng3 Rd5 29. Ne4 Kb8 30. Re2 Ra5 31. b3 Re8 32. Rf2 Ka8 33.
Re1 Rd5 34. Rd2 Rdd8 35. Rb1 Qb6 36. Rb2 Nd5 37. Rb1 Qb4 38. Re1 Ne3 39.
Ra1 Qa5 40. Re2 Nd5 41. Ng3 Qc5 42. Rg1 Qc6 43. Rge1 Nb4 44. Rd1 a6 45. Ne4
Kb8 46. Rf2 Ka7 47. Rb1 Kb6 48. Rb2 Nd5 49. Rf1 Ka5 50. b4+ Nxb4 51. Ra1
Qd5 52. Nd2 b5 53. axb5+ Kxb5 54. Ne4 Qf7 55. c4+ Kc6 56. Rxb4 Qf4+ 57. Kh1
Ra8 58. Rab1 Qe3 59. R4b3 a5 60. Rb5 Qxd3 61. Rc5+ Kd7 62. Rb7 Rec8 63.
Rxe5 Qxc4 64. Rbb5 Qc1+ 65. Kh2 Qa1 66. Nc5+ Kc6 67. Nd3 Qa2 68. Rbc5+ Kd6
69. Re4 Qa4 70. Rc1 Re8 71. Rg4 g5 72. h4 gxh4 73. Rg6+ Ke7 74. Rxc7+ Kd8
75. Nc5 Qb4 76. Rgg7 Rh8 77. Rgd7+ Ke8 78. Re7+ Kf8 79. Ne6+ Kg8 80. Rg7# *[/pgn]

[Chessqueen]

This report yesterday suggests that Carlsen may not want to defend his title next time anyway!
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... motivation

I believe that Carlsen does not want Firouzja to reach 2900 before he does, so he wants to challenge him to make him lose ratings

[Cornfed]

This report yesterday suggests that Carlsen may not want to defend his title next time anyway!
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... motivation

I believe that Carlsen does not want Firouzja to reach 2900 before he does, so he wants to challenge him to make him lose ratings

There may well be something in what you opine. Certainly Firouzja alone is on any real ascendancy....everyone has peaked or hovering within a narrow range of their peak. Of course, that is all judged in hindsight. Firouzja may have peaked (in rating) and we just not know it yet.

[Chessqueen]

This report yesterday suggests that Carlsen may not want to defend his title next time anyway!
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... motivation

I believe that Carlsen does not want Firouzja to reach 2900 before he does, so he wants to challenge him to make him lose ratings

There may well be something in what you opine. Certainly Firouzja alone is on any real ascendancy....everyone has peaked or hovering within a narrow range of their peak. Of course, that is all judged in hindsight. Firouzja may have peaked (in rating) and we just not know it yet.

If Firouzja was 30 or 32 probably but before he reach 21 he will Surpass Carlsen and probably take his title away from Him, Just like Carlsen did with GM Anand when GM Anand started descending in his chess career.

[Cornfed]

This report yesterday suggests that Carlsen may not want to defend his title next time anyway!
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... motivation

I believe that Carlsen does not want Firouzja to reach 2900 before he does, so he wants to challenge him to make him lose ratings

There may well be something in what you opine. Certainly Firouzja alone is on any real ascendancy....everyone has peaked or hovering within a narrow range of their peak. Of course, that is all judged in hindsight. Firouzja may have peaked (in rating) and we just not know it yet.

If Firouzja was 30 or 32 probably but before he reach 21 he will Surpass Carlsen and probably take his title away from Him, Just like Carlsen did with GM Anand when GM Anand started descending in his chess career.

The odds of his winning the candidates is less than 20% so lets not put the cart before the horse just yet.
And for all we know, the winning bid might come from the Tata Steel folks and well...