My review of Strelka Code

[mclane]

i doubt that you will ever come in the situation to need Dann in this special field Rolf. If you want to "change the system" you could begin with creating your own system, thats MY opinion on the thing.
its very easy to critisize people who DO something, if one is not doing anything himself. where is your contribution ?

[Graham Banks]

I have examined the code and Strelka is not a clone.

OK then, Strelka is not a clone! This is a fact....


But i cannot understand how you can be 100 % sure, since you haven't seen Rybka's code. Or have you seen it?

Brian Hofmann has compared the Rybka and Strelka codes as stated in the thread starter.
Strelka is not a Rybka clone.

Regards, Graham.

[Rolf]

i doubt that you will ever come in the situation to need Dann in this special field Rolf. If you want to "change the system" you could begin with creating your own system, thats MY opinion on the thing.
its very easy to critisize people who DO something, if one is not doing anything himself. where is your contribution ?

This is an interesting personal allegation or attack. Since you are a mod here I will give you the following answer. My contribution was one of science and ethics before even Fernando showed up. I argued against the public unfriendliness towards a new entry, resp. his friend who was talking here in the forum. You for example like many others didnt know what it means to search for differences and not only for similarities between two programs. Something very normal in science. Also the judicial fundamental seemed to be unknown, namely nobody should be convicted before proven guilty, what Fernando pointed out under shock when he had seen the threads here. But to state it once more, I was thinking that computerchess is a part of computer sciences. In that spirit I backed up Sergei Markoff and the author of Strelka.

Further questions?

[Rob]

I have examined the code and Strelka is not a clone. There is a 1 MB data table called 'material' inside Strelka, which is what I thought was some encrypted binary.

It's ironic that I complained about the 'primitive' Winboard parser.
Strelka's winboard parser borrows heavily from Beowulf.

Have you compared the source code to the source code of Rybka 1.0 beta? If not, than your statement is meaningless.

If so, a simple question about the main evaluation functions.

Don't you see the same bonuses in both programs everywhere?

Of course Bryan may also respond.

[Zlaire]

Further questions?

Some people found similarities with Rybka. Some found differences. Both were posted. Both were good for the discussion.

Dann never posted an unfounded accusation, he didn't even come to the conclusion that Strelka was a clone, he just wanted answers to the things he found.

Now the answers are here.

In what way did he (or anyone of any side of the discussion) do something wrong?

[Erik Roggenburg]

I will apologize once the author joins the forum.

Why should he need to join to read an apology? He can read it as a guest.

What makes you think that he reads the forum? Here is a hypothetical scenerio. I was a member of JLo'sass worship forum. All of a sudden someone starts a thread saying she got liposuction and posts before and after pictures. So I kind of agreed with them saying it is possible that he/she is right. Then few days later, someone got some credible counter evidence suggesting that she didnt get any lipo. Should I apologize to JLO?

Poor analogy Tony. Having said that, I realise that some people find it very difficult to use the word "sorry".

Regards, Graham.

It wasnt the best analogy but you cant force me to say the S word. It's gotta come from my heart, and it's not the right time yet.

Easy to join the mob mentality and agree with accusations, yet it is that difficult to apologize when the "clone" accusations are disproved?

[mclane]

computerchess is about PGN, EPD, FEN and features.
if you want to talk about ethics or start a big discussion about ethics in computerchess you could do it in CTF.

If you do not like a certain behaviour of a person who posts here, click on the "!" and complain. or comment his posts. but general discussions about ethics of people are IMO off topic here.

[Rolf]

computerchess is about PGN, EPD, FEN and features.
if you want to talk about ethics or start a big discussion about ethics in computerchess you could do it in CTF.

If you do not like a certain behaviour of a person who posts here, click on the "!" and complain. or comment his posts. but general discussions about ethics of people are IMO off topic here.

Since you are a mod I give you this answer. Of course the mentioning of ethics was wrong. It was a typo so to speak. I was talking about science. And also, I wasnt talking about people but the behavior=text=messages of people. Self-understood.

[mclane]

the correct and normal procedure - if you see something that is in your point of view inappropriate - is not to post this here, but to complain via "!" button.

this forum is not to chat about daily things. the headline is about strelka.
not about science or moral issues . that can be done in CTF.
this forum is about computerchess.

we cannot discuss about any "wrong" thing in public. that would generate too much noise and off topic.

if you have questions about how to do this or that concerning
the case i would advise you to either talk about PGN, FEN, EPD, ... or
send me an email or a PM or - complain using the button on the right.


thank you.

[Rolf]

the correct and normal procedure - if you see something that is in your point of view inappropriate - is not to post this here, but to complain via "!" button.

this forum is not to chat about daily things. the headline is about strelka.
not about science or moral issues . that can be done in CTF.
this forum is about computerchess.

we cannot discuss about any "wrong" thing in public. that would generate too much noise and off topic.

if you have questions about how to do this or that concerning
the case i would advise you to either talk about PGN, FEN, EPD, ... or
send me an email or a PM or - complain using the button on the right.


thank you.

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