Naum4(x4) + Perfect14: 100 games. Impressive performance!

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Re: Naum4(x4) + Perfect14: 100 games. Impressive performance

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Karmazen & Oliver wrote:
Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Karmazen & Oliver wrote:
Sedat Canbaz wrote:Is Perfect 15 a better book than Perfect 14?
Perfect 15 is improved about 50 Elo points stronger than Perfect 14 book

Or Perfect 15 contains all good lines of Perfect 14 and much more?
Yes,the Perfect 15 book contains much more newer and stronger lines

Best Regards,
Sedat Canbaz
and ? do you know where is for ARENA chess gui ?

bye



Perfect 15 is opening book for Chessbase (Fritz) GUI

As a Arena opening book i have Perfect 10.abk,its available:
http://www.sedatchess.com/download.html

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Sedat Canbaz
oppss ¡ and Is it not posible use the games that was used for do perfect 15 and 14 and DO a new BETTER book for ARENA CHESS GUI ?

arena chess gui is FREE and good. bye.
Making a decent opening book under the Arena GUI is a suicide task because you have to do almost everything manualy,that's why there is no good opening book available yet....don't get excited by some authors who claims that their book is the superior one and makes advertisement all the time,it was recently when I discovered a big amount of very bad opening lines in the pgn of a well known tester here using such an opening book....

Never the less,I can claim proudly that I found a method two years ago to make a good opening book under the Arena GUI and my book is still private,it's caleed iDeed_Script.abk and I use it frequently in my tournaments for the bookless engines....

Sadly,I will not release it because of people like pichy who makes personal attacks without obvious reason....
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Re: Naum4(x4) + Perfect14: 100 games. Impressive performance

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Some changes in relation to the previous test:

- Same GUI.
- Same Quad 6700 computer
- Same ponder-off
- 25 minutes per game (previous test 10 minutes)
- All programmes with Perfect14 book. (Previous each program with its own book)
- I have included Zappa Mexico II instead of Zappa Mexico.

Naum4(x4)-2 2008

Naum 4(x4) - Deep Fritz 10 8.0 - 2.0 +6/-0/=4 80.00%
Naum 4(x4) - Deep Hiarcs 12 6.5 - 3.5 +3/-0/=7 65.00%
Naum 4(x4) - Rybka 3 32-bit (x4) 4.5 - 5.5 +1/-2/=7 45.00%
Naum 4(x4) - Toga II 1.4.1SE6 6.5 - 3.5 +4/-1/=5 65.00%
Naum 4(x4) - Zappa Mexico II 5.0 - 5.0 +2/-2/=6 50.00%

My feelings:

- Perfect14 is important in terms of performance. Better than any other book. (I have not tested Perfect15).

- Naum4 is a fantastic program, not far from Rybka3. Only 4 losses in 50 games against such strong set of engines.

Regards from Barceloona!.

Tom
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Re: Naum4(x4) + Perfect14: 100 games. Impressive performance

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Tomcass wrote:Some changes in relation to the previous test:

- Same GUI.
- Same Quad 6700 computer
- Same ponder-off
- 25 minutes per game (previous test 10 minutes)
- All programmes with Perfect14 book. (Previous each program with its own book)
- I have included Zappa Mexico II instead of Zappa Mexico.

Naum4(x4)-2 2008

Naum 4(x4) - Deep Fritz 10 8.0 - 2.0 +6/-0/=4 80.00%
Naum 4(x4) - Deep Hiarcs 12 6.5 - 3.5 +3/-0/=7 65.00%
Naum 4(x4) - Rybka 3 32-bit (x4) 4.5 - 5.5 +1/-2/=7 45.00%
Naum 4(x4) - Toga II 1.4.1SE6 6.5 - 3.5 +4/-1/=5 65.00%
Naum 4(x4) - Zappa Mexico II 5.0 - 5.0 +2/-2/=6 50.00%

My feelings:

- Perfect14 is important in terms of performance. Better than any other book. (I have not tested Perfect15).

- Naum4 is a fantastic program, not far from Rybka3. Only 4 losses in 50 games against such strong set of engines.

Regards from Barceloona!.

Tom
Hello Tom !

Thanks a lot for testing the Perfect 14 book

Best Regards,
Sedat Canbaz
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Naum4(x4) + Perfect15: Excellent again!

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I decided to test again Naum4 now with Perfect15 book against three strong opponents. The results have been again very good. Naum 4 won the tournament in a very tight ending with Rybka3.

The other difference was the timing. Now 25 minutes per game instead of 10. And one of the opponents was Deep Fritz 11 instead of Deep Fritz10.

GUI: Deep Fritz 11
Time: 25 minutes per game.
Quad 6700
Ponder: Off.
All engines with own book, except Naum4 using Perfect15.
No tablebases.


2008-DeepFritz11 2008

1 2 3 4
1 Naum 4(x4) ********** ½½½½1½½0½½ ½½½11½½½½½ ½1½1111111 20.0/30
2 Rybka 3 32-bit (x4) ½½½½0½½1½½ ********** ½½½½½1½½1½ ½11½11½1½1 19.0/30
3 Deep Fritz 11 ½½½00½½½½½ ½½½½½0½½0½ ********** ½½1½½½1½½1 14.5/30
4 Deep Hiarcs 12 ½0½0000000 ½00½00½0½0 ½½0½½½0½½0 ********** 6.5/30

My preliminary conclusions after de different tests performed:

- What a great job is making Sedat with his Perfect books!. Congratulations and thanks for delivering these fantastic free books.

- Naum4 + Perfect15 plays at Rybka3 (+ RybkaII book) level - when timing is set up to 25 minutes per game in my computer-.

- Deep Fritz 11 seems substantially stronger than DF10.

- I hope that the free upgrade offered by Mark (thanks Mark!) will allow Hiarcs12.1MP to be closer of these very strong opponents in the next tests.

My next test: 100 games Rybka3 with RybkaII book against Naum4 with Perfect15 at 60 minutes game.

Best regards from Barcelona.

Tom Casanovas.
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Re: Naum4(x4) + Perfect15: Excellent again!

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... by the way, mi forecast for this match is:

Naum 4 with Perfect15 = 50%
Rybka 3 with RibkaII = 50%

With no less than 85% draws.

In about 3 or 4 days we will see. :wink:

Regards,

Tom Casanovas
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Re: Naum4(x4) + Perfect15: Excellent again!

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At longer time controls Rybka 3 plays better is you adjust the contempt from default 15 to around 0. The longer the time control the less the contempt should be.
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Re: Naum4(x4) + Perfect15: Excellent again!

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Tomcass wrote:... by the way, mi forecast for this match is:

Naum 4 with Perfect15 = 50%
Rybka 3 with RibkaII = 50%

With no less than 85% draws.

In about 3 or 4 days we will see. :wink:

Regards,

Tom Casanovas
perfect15 is considered to be the best opening book so it seems that Naum got the better book.

Uri