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Re: WCCC: schedule, pairings, live broadcast

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Being able to use unimited resources is not synonymous for smart algorithm. Throwing more resource at it can usually be made to result in some benefit, even if infinitesimally small.

For me the smartness of an algorithm is determined by how well it uses available resources. E.g. how much can you do with a certain number of source-code lines.
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Any one know which engine authors are at the event operating their own engines?

i can tell from the web Cam that the Shredder and Junior authors are operating for themselves

any others?

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At least Jonny, Pandix, The Baron also.
Joker also I think.
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so at least 6 from 10 engines authors are present

Thanks
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hgm wrote:Being able to use unimited resources is not synonymous for smart algorithm. Throwing more resource at it can usually be made to result in some benefit, even if infinitesimally small.
Multicore chess engines can often decrease in performance when given too many cores, as was already pointed out to you.
For me the smartness of an algorithm is determined by how well it uses available resources. E.g. how much can you do with a certain number of source-code lines.
Using a many-core cluster made out of off the shelf PCs is exactly making good use of available resources. On the contrary, trying to cram the program into as small amount of lines as possible produces exactly zero user-visible benefit.
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hgm wrote:Being able to use unimited resources is not synonymous for smart algorithm. Throwing more resource at it can usually be made to result in some benefit, even if infinitesimally small.

For me the smartness of an algorithm is determined by how well it uses available resources. E.g. how much can you do with a certain number of source-code lines.
The problem here is that it is _easy_ to write an algorithm that will simply not even produce a move given say 64 cores. And I have seen _many_ (including old versions of my code when I first started the parallel search stuff in Crafty) where 8 processors would actually be worse than just using 4 or 2... That's actually pretty easy to cause.
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Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:At least Jonny, Pandix, The Baron also.
Joker also I think.
Equinox also has its authors present. HIARCS is represented (as always) by Harvey Williamson, Rybka by Hans van der Zijden and Sjeng (most rounds) by Johan de Koning, and by myself in the open tournament.
Richard.
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pijl wrote:
Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:At least Jonny, Pandix, The Baron also.
Joker also I think.
Equinox also has its authors present. HIARCS is represented (as always) by Harvey Williamson, Rybka by Hans van der Zijden and Sjeng (most rounds) by Johan de Koning, and by myself in the open tournament.
Richard.
So overall 7 From 10
Thanks

Interesting that de Koning would attend and not enter the King but instead operate a different engine(Deep Sjeng)
made even the more interesting(for dedicated computer fans) because de Koning and GCP are two of the four engine authors represented at the WCCC that have had their engines memorialized in dedicated computers


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Steve B wrote:
Interesting that de Koning would attend and not enter the King but instead operate a different engine(Deep Sjeng)
made even the more interesting(for dedicated computer fans) because de Koning and GCP are two of the four engine authors represented at the WCCC that have had their engines memorialized in dedicated computers
Johan is here for the Amazons competition and the Conference. He was asked to operate Sjeng only after arrival in Pamplona.
Because of the conference, someone else operated Deep Sjeng this morning (Soren Riis).
Richard.
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Re: WCCC: schedule, pairings, live broadcast

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pijl wrote:

Because of the conference, someone else operated Deep Sjeng this morning (Soren Riis).
Richard.
and a quick Grandmaster Draw it was
:P

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