About "Double standard" & about clones and th

[Karmazen & Oliver]

When was the last engine that got released that was 3000 elo on its first release?

Do you think such a thing is possible? If so, what percentage?

We better check that......the 0.000000001% chance that its ok.

But forget about strength......let's see it for what it is.

A 3000 elo engine with huge bugs. Are the bugs in technical things?

No.

They are in the superficial. Tell me Oliver, how is it you can invent a Lamborghini and forget the wheels?

I'd really like to know this.........I really would.

Want some more music?

Of course you do. I was planing to post this behind a very big troll, but you are not one of them. I know what you mean Oliver, but if you consider the facts.......there is NO way that the whole thing adds up.

It stinks, but its out there. If they were after acceptance, they failed.....badly.

Music.....we really need more music.......

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Cool, more important is chess, not politics.

Regards

Christopher

3000 only si a nymber, rybka go on +2900 in the first load.

naum jump a lot in the last version, nobody say that...

streka is a clon, but it´s have down elo, that rybka and have more errors....

nobody CENSURE all...

TODAY I don´t know if the used only ideas, a part of a code... etc..

but, THE question is:

when those who have succeeded here have been censored before the software is not fun, first get the information and then "blame" to others,

perhaps part of the code reuse, I can not understand how it is possible that using "less" number, (size), as disparate results have ... without making improvements.


In any case, if they match fruit, instead of perhaps rybka ...

"I have also censored?

It's all very odd and not a general forum can be folded to the particular interests of any corporation.

mainly because that company had no account with the small fish, giving directly a much stronger engine and based largely on the work "free" of fruit and others.

For my part this clear, it is acting with two policies, "one hand", moderators and veterans get that softwar, moreover, is not allowed, (without success) that is public domain, and finally, are fools, censoring a name, and allowing another.

all nonsense, for meddling in over your head, for the function of this forum is not to judge which programs are and which programs are not ...

Here we talk about chess, engines, improvements in technology.

can not be judge and party in the process

censured regards

[Christopher Conkie]

When was the last engine that got released that was 3000 elo on its first release?

Do you think such a thing is possible? If so, what percentage?

We better check that......the 0.000000001% chance that its ok.

Progress is always relative. When Rybka 1.0 came out it was "90-150 Elos stronger than Shredder", top engine of the time.

"Do you think such a thing is possible? If so, what percentage?

We better check that......the 0.000000001% chance that its ok."

A 600 (or was it 800?) Elo boost from an engine known practically by no one.

You did not ask these questions then.

Yes we did, just like we did with this one back in May. You just did not see it happen. It was taking place at the same time as the interview below. Notice that I do not ask any questions in the interview. I was busy.

http://www.superchessengine.com/vasik_rajlich.htm

Q.20 and Q.21 are well.......

[El Gringo]

Not bad Oliver. I respect your comments and I understand why you made them.

Now it's time for some more music. BTW Can you fly? Moderation is very much like flying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDPPusitRog

http://lyrics.filestube.com/song/57acd0 ... o-Win.html

Music......good for chess people. Get's them refocused.



"Have no secrets, hear no lies"

Christopher

Haha....

Conkie is a heaven 17 fan ??

Okay, 'Let's all make a bomb'
It's all about 'temptation'

Best
Johan

[Christopher Conkie]

Not bad Oliver. I respect your comments and I understand why you made them.

Now it's time for some more music. BTW Can you fly? Moderation is very much like flying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDPPusitRog

http://lyrics.filestube.com/song/57acd0 ... o-Win.html

Music......good for chess people. Get's them refocused.



"Have no secrets, hear no lies"

Christopher

Haha....

Conkie is a heaven 17 fan ??

Okay, 'Let's all make a bomb'
It's all about 'temptation'

Best
Johan

Haha.....Havegheer (try saying that 6 times fast)

Actually I'm not.

Sisters Of Mercy is more my thing, along with a touch of Front 242.

The post did its job well it seems. Nice change of subject technique.....must try it again.



Christopher

[Karmazen & Oliver]

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yes. and it is no t the objetive of this forum... who are the tribunal that fire clons? in some moments they can have some errors... because Not is necesary see the code... similar or not, exits other persons that evaluate that.

I hope that rybka 4 go to top over the world. and i thing that if can take some betters of others engines, this is good for the comunity chess. bye. and not censured regards from spain.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

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yes. and it is no t the objetive of this forum... who are the tribunal that fire clons? in some moments they can have some errors... because Not is necesary see the code... similar or not, exits other persons that evaluate that.

I hope that rybka 4 go to top over the world. and i thing that if can take some betters of others engines, this is good for the comunity chess. bye. and not censured regards from spain.

With the source code of the so claimed clone published,it will be hard for Rybka to keep it's dominancy as even now it's under heavy developement and when the MP version appears,then the Rybka team can start to get worried....
Don't be scared,be terrified regards,
Dr.d

[Karmazen & Oliver]

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yes. and it is no t the objetive of this forum... who are the tribunal that fire clons? in some moments they can have some errors... because Not is necesary see the code... similar or not, exits other persons that evaluate that.

I hope that rybka 4 go to top over the world. and i thing that if can take some betters of others engines, this is good for the comunity chess. bye. and not censured regards from spain.

With the source code of the so claimed clone published,it will be hard for Rybka to keep it's dominancy as even now it's under heavy developement and when the MP version appears,then the Rybka team can start to get worried....
Don't be scared,be terrified regards,
Dr.d

Well, until now we can see that they have a beta version, with plenty of work ahead, which seems "good" to meet engine against engine, but has to be good for analysis.

Likewise, --- will be stabilized, so that not only serves to "win" at lightning pace. (fast games)

the thing is, I believe that rybka can change some things in the light of some results.

the end is not all that bad.

I never liked monopolies, and less like "they" want to instill in talkchess ..

greetings scared.

[bob]

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yes. and it is no t the objetive of this forum... who are the tribunal that fire clons? in some moments they can have some errors... because Not is necesary see the code... similar or not, exits other persons that evaluate that.

I hope that rybka 4 go to top over the world. and i thing that if can take some betters of others engines, this is good for the comunity chess. bye. and not censured regards from spain.

With the source code of the so claimed clone published,it will be hard for Rybka to keep it's dominancy as even now it's under heavy developement and when the MP version appears,then the Rybka team can start to get worried....
Don't be scared,be terrified regards,
Dr.d

Particularly if the do a _decent_ SMP implementation.

[M ANSARI]

When was the last engine that got released that was 3000 elo on its first release?

Do you think such a thing is possible? If so, what percentage?

We better check that......the 0.000000001% chance that its ok.

Progress is always relative. When Rybka 1.0 came out it was "90-150 Elos stronger than Shredder", top engine of the time.

"Do you think such a thing is possible? If so, what percentage?

We better check that......the 0.000000001% chance that its ok."

A 600 (or was it 800?) Elo boost from an engine known practically by no one.

You did not ask these questions then.

I think if you factor in the fact that Vas is an MIT educated software developer who is also a very strong IM chess player as well as having at the time a fiance who is also a very strong chess player, the percentage you mention would change drastically. Especially if such a person decided to go into chess programming full time.

It is pointless to argue about what is obviously a cloned Rybka because one side will always ask for 100% proof which would require that Vas provide his full sources for review. It is done with tongue in cheek because they know it is not in Vas's interest to divulge what gives him a competitive advantage in what is his full time job, just to satisfy some people. Even then I am sure they would come up with something silly.

It seems that Vas is dealing with this the proper way by just ignoring it and trying to make things more difficult for such theft next time.

[Graham Banks]

It is pointless to argue about what is obviously a cloned Rybka because one side will always ask for 100% proof which would require that Vas provide his full sources for review. It is done with tongue in cheek because they know it is not in Vas's interest to divulge what gives him a competitive advantage in what is his full time job, just to satisfy some people. Even then I am sure they would come up with something silly.

It seems that Vas is dealing with this the proper way by just ignoring it and trying to make things more difficult for such theft next time.

It's a real shame that so many people seem to have no real morals.