All eggsperts out there

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Christopher Conkie wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
WinPooh wrote:Thank you, Graham!

GreKo is open source since 2002, when it was at 1800 Elo level.
Each new version was published with source codes.

I hope, no moron will claim it is a clone.
Keep up your good work on GreKo, Vladimir. Please don't get discouraged by what's happening.

Cheers,
Graham.
I doubt he will. Instead the morons clone Greko. In fact, IIRC they already have, remember Quaestor V?

Very very strange......

Christopher
Never heard of it....I am surprised it went under my radar....
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Christopher Conkie wrote:
Alexander Schmidt wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote:Cloning clones?
Or maybe even cloning clones of clones?
Yes, maybe Alex. It has becomes that convoluted.

Gruss

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Do you think we should get an icepick sent across the channel? :wink:
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WinPooh wrote:Thank you, Graham!

GreKo is open source since 2002, when it was at 1800 Elo level.
Each new version was published with source codes.

I hope, no moron will claim it is a clone.
On the Rybka front, one reads in their forum:
85d4 has also arrived.

changes made are :
ponder implemented, time control improved, source code cleanupand translation improvements, date/time stamp added, GPL added, default hash = 128 Mb
GPL added???? Can somebody please contact the Free Software Foundation about this. I think it would have to be Vas. Can somebody please contact Vas.

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Eelco de Groot wrote:
WinPooh wrote:Thank you, Graham!

GreKo is open source since 2002, when it was at 1800 Elo level.
Each new version was published with source codes.

I hope, no moron will claim it is a clone.
On the Rybka front, one reads in their forum:
85d4 has also arrived.

changes made are :
ponder implemented, time control improved, source code cleanupand translation improvements, date/time stamp added, GPL added, default hash = 128 Mb
GPL added???? Can somebody please contact the Free Software Foundation about this. I think it would have to be Vas. Can somebody please contact Vas.

Eelco
It is at Norman Schmidt's site........

So now you have a name to put to it.

I'm guessing he is getting a little "over confident".

:)

Christopher
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Christopher Conkie wrote:
Eelco de Groot wrote:
WinPooh wrote:Thank you, Graham!

GreKo is open source since 2002, when it was at 1800 Elo level.
Each new version was published with source codes.

I hope, no moron will claim it is a clone.
On the Rybka front, one reads in their forum:
85d4 has also arrived.

changes made are :
ponder implemented, time control improved, source code cleanupand translation improvements, date/time stamp added, GPL added, default hash = 128 Mb
GPL added???? Can somebody please contact the Free Software Foundation about this. I think it would have to be Vas. Can somebody please contact Vas.

Eelco
It is at Norman Schmidt's site........

So now you have a name to put to it.

Christopher
With the best of intentions I'm sure from Norm and I don't necessarily mean it ironically. Okay, I was the one who asked for a open source version of Rybka 3 in the Programmers forum 8-) Vas can blame me for that. Thanks Christopher, however I do have my doubts if Vas will take it up with the FSF now.

Regards, Eelco
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Eelco de Groot wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote:
Eelco de Groot wrote:
WinPooh wrote:Thank you, Graham!

GreKo is open source since 2002, when it was at 1800 Elo level.
Each new version was published with source codes.

I hope, no moron will claim it is a clone.
On the Rybka front, one reads in their forum:
85d4 has also arrived.

changes made are :
ponder implemented, time control improved, source code cleanupand translation improvements, date/time stamp added, GPL added, default hash = 128 Mb
GPL added???? Can somebody please contact the Free Software Foundation about this. I think it would have to be Vas. Can somebody please contact Vas.

Eelco
It is at Norman Schmidt's site........

So now you have a name to put to it.

Christopher
With the best of intentions I'm sure from Norm and I don't necessarily mean it ironically. Okay, I was the one who asked for a open source version of Rybka 3 in the Programmers forum 8-) Vas can blame me for that. Thanks Christopher, however I do have my doubts if Vas will take it up with the FSF now.

Regards, Eelco
Norman does not have good intentions since quite a while. Rather than blame yourself go here......

http://whois.domaintools.com/

Type in something "logikal" ;-) and you (or anyone) can point directly at "who is" to be blamed.

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No, I stand by what I posted earlier, with some mixed feelings, I do believe a good open source engine made out of this would be better than the mess called IPP. I am curious who they would claim as author, they posted all their progress to Vas already since March this year so now claiming it is not a Rybka clone is not very believable, and we have only seen the pseudos so the FSF would not technically accept that as authors I'd presume. I don't really know actually but I don't think a pseudonym can be a legal person in the sense of the law.

Mixed feelings as everybody now seems to be using this and calling it a "private engine" without further details. This is worse than calling it IPPOLITO, Little Robber or whatever... Can't we call it Gnuchess if it actually would become a GPL program?

I would not really know what to type in at the link you mentioned Christopher, is it confirmed that the Patriot programmer is behind this?

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Eelco de Groot wrote:No, I stand by what I posted earlier, with some mixed feelings, I do believe a good open source engine made out of this would be better than the mess called IPP. I am curious who they would claim as author, they posted all their progress to Vas already since March this year so now claiming it is not a Rybka clone is not very believable, and we have only seen the pseudos so the FSF would not technically accept that as authors I'd presume. I don't really know actually but I don't think a pseudonym can be a legal person in the sense of the law.

Mixed feelings as everybody now seems to be using this and calling it a "private engine" without further details. This is worse than calling it IPPOLITO, Little Robber or whatever... Can't we call it Gnuchess if it actually would become a GPL program?

I would not really know what to type in at the link you mentioned Christopher, is it confirmed that the Patriot programmer is behind this?

Eelco
It's a real big mess and it's going to get worse....

In another thread I read that Stockfish is a clone of Rybka....stated by our beloved member Rolf :D
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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote: In another thread I read that Stockfish is a clone of Rybka....stated by our beloved member Rolf :D
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Sorry, if I misunderstood. Nick was talking about Fritz 9 (sic) and then Rybka and Stockfish. So I believed that he used Stockfish because he didnt buy Rybka. As a poor researcher in private. But he still asks if Rybka cheated. Funny, no? A newcomer asks the expected questions here in such an expert forum. I asked him some questions. He didnt answer. Not that it matters. But it also shows something. I can only rely on something I've read and I read it.
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This is completely off topic Rolf.

The thread is about something that has nothing to do with your post.

Come into CTF.

I am waiting for you there.

:wink:

Christopher