Apple MacBook Pro 16-inch with M1 Max chip

[Ras]

For Intel (I just looked it up) it says: "TDP stands for Thermal Design Power, in watts, and refers to the power consumption under the maximum theoretical load.

However, I guess that refers to the sustained load. Intel has a 56 seconds boost mode where the CPU can draw a crazy amount of power, and your PSU better be dimensioned accordingly. That is to buffer short-term load spikes like in games. It's also useful for cheating in short-running benchmarks and advertising performance that the chip doesn't have long-term.

And that's only deskop. In laptops, AMD machines will reduce power draw and performance when running on battery, something that Intel made fun of. What Intel didn't mention is that Intel laptops also reduce their power draw and performance - but depending on the battery charge level.

[smatovic]

...in the good old times we overclocked manually our CPUs, buy a 100 MHz one and run @133, or the P4, 1.8@2.95 GHz, you had to take care of the multiplier, FSB, core voltage, and cooling, nowadays systems have base and turbo frequency, and adjust automatically to your cooling, TDP, or power budget.

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Srdja

[wickedpotus]

...in the good old times we overclocked manually our CPUs, buy a 100 MHz one and run @133, or the P4, 1.8@2.95 GHz, you had to take care of the multiplier, FSB, core voltage, and cooling, nowadays systems have base and turbo frequency, and adjust automatically to your cooling, TDP, or power budget.

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Srdja

I am not sure what you are trying to say?? But it is not like overclocking suddenly has stopped just becuase you can overclock base and boost frequencies. low and high-voltage cores etc. of CPUs and GPUS...

[smatovic]

...in the good old times we overclocked manually our CPUs, buy a 100 MHz one and run @133, or the P4, 1.8@2.95 GHz, you had to take care of the multiplier, FSB, core voltage, and cooling, nowadays systems have base and turbo frequency, and adjust automatically to your cooling, TDP, or power budget.

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Srdja

I am not sure what you are trying to say?? But it is not like overclocking suddenly has stopped just becuase you can overclock base and boost frequencies. low and high-voltage cores etc. of CPUs and GPUS...

Okay, hehe, maybe I try to say that I stopped with oveclocking.

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Srdja

[Magnum]

If you want a portable PC/laptop I'd recommend a laptop from "Framework".

Better wait until they get around to offering that with a proper AMD CPU - or until Intel gets their act together.

The results are great:
https://screenrant.com/m1-pro-max-new-m ... enchmarks/

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook- ... and-m1-max

https://hothardware.com/news/apple-m1-m ... -benchmark

https://9to5mac.com/2021/10/25/apple-m1 ... benchmark/

If someone really needs a stronger cpu or more cpu cores, then write a topic at macrumors, like other guys did before about gpu or ram or ssd (and now you can see what happened).

[Ras]

If you want a portable PC/laptop I'd recommend a laptop from "Framework".

Better wait until they get around to offering that with a proper AMD CPU - or until Intel gets their act together.

The results are great:

The major point of a laptop by the company "Framework" is not only to have a modular, repairable machine, but also one where the manufacturer, unlike Apple, doesn't harm the right to repair both on technical and political level. That is to, unlike Apple, avoid artificially raising repair cost and pushing sales of new devices over repairing old ones, generating unnecessary e-waste. Means, unlike Apple, not just empty greenwashing talk, but real actions.

"Modular" also means proper standard interfaces for mass storage so that the manufacturer, again unlike Apple, won't charge three times the market rate. Last but not least, a Framework laptop will run open source operating systems properly, and that includes graphic drivers, so that you don't have to trust a closed source vendor who just thought in one of his other product lines that scanning his customers' phones and creating censorship infrastructure would be a cool idea.

For chess enthusiasts, it also means that the M1's disappointing Stockfish performance due to lack of AVX will be papered over slightly, but not much due to more cores, but GPU based engines will still be bad because nobody cares about Apple's proprietary Metal API.

[wickedpotus]

If you want a portable PC/laptop I'd recommend a laptop from "Framework".

Better wait until they get around to offering that with a proper AMD CPU - or until Intel gets their act together.

The results are great:

If someone really needs a stronger cpu or more cpu cores, then write a topic at macrumors, like other guys did before about gpu or ram or ssd (and now you can see what happened).

We all know since tha M1 that these kind of sites bench-marks using a small selection of apps with separate code-bases for MacOs compared to other systems. Which makes them useless at best, misleading and outright dishonest at worst. Lets talk about this more when someone can post some *real* chess benchmarks for compiles of the same source (Lc0, Stockfish etc.) instead of these kind of these carfully "selected" Oranges vs. Apples benchmarks, similar to what fooled many people to believe M1 perfroms better than competing CPUs..last time around

[h1a8]

If you want a portable PC/laptop I'd recommend a laptop from "Framework".

Better wait until they get around to offering that with a proper AMD CPU - or until Intel gets their act together.

The results are great:

If someone really needs a stronger cpu or more cpu cores, then write a topic at macrumors, like other guys did before about gpu or ram or ssd (and now you can see what happened).

We all know since tha M1 that these kind of sites bench-marks using a small selection of apps with separate code-bases for MacOs compared to other systems. Which makes them useless at best, misleading and outright dishonest at worst. Lets talk about this more when someone can post some *real* chess benchmarks for compiles of the same source (Lc0, Stockfish etc.) instead of these kind of these carfully "selected" Oranges vs. Apples benchmarks, similar to what fooled many people to believe M1 perfroms better than competing CPUs..last time around

What's the source of those benchmarks? Is that the older m1 (from 2020)?

[Ras]

Is that the older m1 (from 2020)?

That's the M1, not the M1 Max, but the latter is said to be 70% faster than the former regarding the CPU part, which still wouldn't cut it.

[wickedpotus]

What's the source of those benchmarks? Is that the older m1 (from 2020)?

Yes old M1.. M1 can do 4 high-speed threads and 4 low-speed threads on its cores. 8 threads in total - but half of these cores are crippled low-power cores so speed is hampered at the expense of power-saving). Their M1 Max can do 8 full speed threads and 2 low-power threads. a total of 10-threads. Apples own presentations claims their M1 Max performs 70% better than the original M1.

AMD 48xxx and 58xxx Mobile 7nm CPUs support 16 threads (2 per each of the 8 full speed cores) and performs more than 2.5 times better than M1.