World Chess Computer Champion?

[poet]

Thread is going nowhere.
They have their victory (hideously pyrrhic).

Now poor consumers will be conned into buying much weaker engines that claim themselves to be World Champions.
Its a disgusting rip-off, but nothing we can do about it.

Komodo authors should never have backed down on this, no matter how much a couple of people cry and stomp their feet on an internet forum.

At least with Komodo making the claim of WC, the consumer was getting an engine that definitely IS one of the strongest in the world at the time.
Its the consumers we should really feel sorry for.

[sicilianquake87]

If you, as an outsider, want to rename the Tour de France to World Championship cycling, and want to force the UCI to change their name in UDI ('International Dope Users'), based on the fact that you sometimes watch cycling on your TV, people would just think you are an idiot. If you don't believe me, try it...

Don't worry, nobody is gonna force anything on your snob exclusive club because nobody cares.

[hgm]

What makes you think I worry about anything?

It was you wanted to change the ICGA name. Glad you realize now that was a failure.

Like in any sport: some people (In F1 are not the drivers those who decide the rules, so again you're talking only about what floats your boat) first decide the best rules (not trying to keep somebody out but to involve all and enjoy a fair competition), then structure the event ( selections, nationals...), then let the players and the public enjoy the event and finally they give a prize to the best. It seems you have a lot of problems understanding that.

F1 is as much a competition of constructors as of drivers. Even the skill of the peaple in the pits for fueling and changing tires has a direct impact on the result.

I am not really interested in F1 racing, but wasn't this Schumacher guy kept out for a long time because he intentionally drove a competitor off the road? In this respect there isn't really any difference between F1 racing. Wrong-doers are suspended.

You seem to be grossly misinformed. Even someone like me who never spent a minute of his time watching F1 racing seems to understand it better than you...

[sicilianquake87]

What makes you think I worry about anything?

It was you wanted to change the ICGA name. Glad you realize now that was a failure.

It was an obvious (not for you as we realize now) sarcastic suggestion following your pompous posts and the line of conduct in this thread. I don't think you or anybody else should be worried. As I said nobody cares, keep playing in your snob club, while attention,money, sponsors, time, suggestions, people fly elsewhere.

[sicilianquake87]

F1 is as much a competition of constructors as of drivers. Even the skill of the peaple in the pits for fueling and changing tires has a direct impact on the result.

I am not really interested in F1 racing, but wasn't this Schumacher guy kept out for a long time because he intentionally drove a competitor off the road? In this respect there isn't really any difference between F1 racing. Wrong-doers are suspended.

You seem to be grossly misinformed. Even someone like me who never spent a minute of his time watching F1 racing seems to understand it better than you...

Good example, so they banned the driver (for some time) not the car. I am not really interested in ICGA fake competitions but it seems they banned for life both author and the "plagiarized engine" (that includes obviously all his "sons"). You seems to be grossly misinformed too to make analogies in fields you don't know.

[Modern Times]

Komodo authors should never have backed down on this, no matter how much a couple of people cry and stomp their feet on an internet forum.

At least with Komodo making the claim of WC, the consumer was getting an engine that definitely IS one of the strongest in the world at the time.
Its the consumers we should really feel sorry for.

I agree with this. Komodo may not be the ICGA World Champion, but it is a World Champion. Maybe they could have made a very slight tweak to the wording, but in essence they were doing nothing wrong, and were acting in the Consumers' best interests.

[hgm]

Its the consumers we should really feel sorry for.

The only one to blame for the fact that Komodo cannot rightfully claim they are World Champions is the Komodo team itself. They could have grabbed the title easily. If any customers are now misled, it will be because of that.

So yes, we should feel sorry for those consumers, but especially the Komodo team should feel sorry for them.

[Jesse Gersenson]

Well, the people that mattered have already been convinced, and your opinion counts for zilch anyway, as you are not an engine author. So there is no point in continuing this discussion.

Those are facts, not dreams. As to what you are saying, however...

Being accommodating is not being convinced.

It's awe-inspiring how much non-creative people are incapable of achieving and how little they accomplish.

[poet]

Komodo did the RIGHT thing not taking part in ICGA.

The more engines that follow suit the better.

Why anyone would want to sully their image by taking part in the ICGA after what happened is a mystery to me, except for the fact that they get to claim some hollow "World Champion" title while never having to play any of the worlds best engines.

[hgm]

Well, you are obviously one of those consumers that applauds theft and cheating, and would like to see it elevated to the standard. Anything flies, as long as it provides you with cheap Elo, eh? To hell with rules and law.

Well, you can start your own CCCC organization ('Computer Chess for Crooks and Criminals). But you can be sure ICGA won't be part of it.