Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

[M ANSARI]

Apparently, there will be a chess tournament very soon where both MC and Hans will be playing. Should draw record viewings

[CornfedForever]

Apparently, there will be a chess tournament very soon where both MC and Hans will be playing. Should draw record viewings

What tourney is that?
Why would Magnus play against Hans if he believes...what he seems to believe?

[Chessqueen]

Apparently, there will be a chess tournament very soon where both MC and Hans will be playing. Should draw record viewings

What tourney is that?
Why would Magnus play against Hans if he believes...what he seems to believe?

In 2 more days https://www.chessdom.com/julius-baer-ge ... -schedule/
This is the next game when Carlsen face GM Hans https://en.chessbase.com/post/generatio ... 22-preview
This game is interesting, watch how GM Hans beat Carlsen with Black again

[chrisw]

Apparently, there will be a chess tournament very soon where both MC and Hans will be playing. Should draw record viewings

What tourney is that?
Why would Magnus play against Hans if he believes...what he seems to believe?

How would anyone know what Magnus believes? He made one tweet with a Mourinho (sp?) quote which could mean almost anything. Magnus has said nothing since. As far as I know he disappeared off the radar. All anyone knows is Magnus played Hans and lost, then withdrew. That’s it. Everything else, including the meaning, if there was any, is supposition and speculation, and just because the entire internet jumped all over it with one theorised explanation only, says nothing for the theorised explanation. The whole internet, like any mob, has more than often got everything wrong in the past and perfectly possibly has it entirely wrong now too.

[lkaufman]

Apparently, there will be a chess tournament very soon where both MC and Hans will be playing. Should draw record viewings

What tourney is that?
Why would Magnus play against Hans if he believes...what he seems to believe?

How would anyone know what Magnus believes? He made one tweet with a Mourinho (sp?) quote which could mean almost anything. Magnus has said nothing since. As far as I know he disappeared off the radar. All anyone knows is Magnus played Hans and lost, then withdrew. That’s it. Everything else, including the meaning, if there was any, is supposition and speculation, and just because the entire internet jumped all over it with one theorised explanation only, says nothing for the theorised explanation. The whole internet, like any mob, has more than often got everything wrong in the past and perfectly possibly has it entirely wrong now too.

Well, we will probably find out soon, since this is an online tournament where cheating is much easier than OTB, so I can't see how it will actually happen that both Magnus and Hans will play. Either Hans will be barred based on past online cheating, or Magnus will refuse to play for that reason, I would expect, unless some very radical anti-cheating measures are adopted that are hard to imagine. If both of them play without extreme measures, then surely Magnus would have to offer an alternative explanation for his earlier withdrawal.

[Chessqueen]

Apparently, there will be a chess tournament very soon where both MC and Hans will be playing. Should draw record viewings

What tourney is that?
Why would Magnus play against Hans if he believes...what he seems to believe?

How would anyone know what Magnus believes? He made one tweet with a Mourinho (sp?) quote which could mean almost anything. Magnus has said nothing since. As far as I know he disappeared off the radar. All anyone knows is Magnus played Hans and lost, then withdrew. That’s it. Everything else, including the meaning, if there was any, is supposition and speculation, and just because the entire internet jumped all over it with one theorised explanation only, says nothing for the theorised explanation. The whole internet, like any mob, has more than often got everything wrong in the past and perfectly possibly has it entirely wrong now too.

Well, we will probably find out soon, since this is an online tournament where cheating is much easier than OTB, so I can't see how it will actually happen that both Magnus and Hans will play. Either Hans will be barred based on past online cheating, or Magnus will refuse to play for that reason, I would expect, unless some very radical anti-cheating measures are adopted that are hard to imagine. If both of them play without extreme measures, then surely Magnus would have to offer an alternative explanation for his earlier withdrawal.

If GM Hans win again no matter what anti-cheating measurement they use Magnus will accuse GM Hans of cheating again, so If I was GM Hans even if I am winning I will offer a draw to shut off any future accusation of cheating from Carlsen, and the same goes for Young talented indian GM Pragg Carlsen will accuse him of cheating too.

[CornfedForever]

Apparently, there will be a chess tournament very soon where both MC and Hans will be playing. Should draw record viewings

What tourney is that?
Why would Magnus play against Hans if he believes...what he seems to believe?

How would anyone know what Magnus believes? He made one tweet with a Mourinho (sp?) quote which could mean almost anything. Magnus has said nothing since. As far as I know he disappeared off the radar. All anyone knows is Magnus played Hans and lost, then withdrew. That’s it. Everything else, including the meaning, if there was any, is supposition and speculation, and just because the entire internet jumped all over it with one theorised explanation only, says nothing for the theorised explanation. The whole internet, like any mob, has more than often got everything wrong in the past and perfectly possibly has it entirely wrong now too.

I am afraid it is most certainly NOT fair to beg off the question as mere "supposition and speculation" as you seem to imply. But you can believe that if you wish.
Think of Maguns' silence as deafening. He would have said 'something' to counteract the very serious implications being made if it were otherwise.

Anyone know what tournament is being referred to?

[chrisw]

Apparently, there will be a chess tournament very soon where both MC and Hans will be playing. Should draw record viewings

What tourney is that?
Why would Magnus play against Hans if he believes...what he seems to believe?

How would anyone know what Magnus believes? He made one tweet with a Mourinho (sp?) quote which could mean almost anything. Magnus has said nothing since. As far as I know he disappeared off the radar. All anyone knows is Magnus played Hans and lost, then withdrew. That’s it. Everything else, including the meaning, if there was any, is supposition and speculation, and just because the entire internet jumped all over it with one theorised explanation only, says nothing for the theorised explanation. The whole internet, like any mob, has more than often got everything wrong in the past and perfectly possibly has it entirely wrong now too.

Well, we will probably find out soon, since this is an online tournament where cheating is much easier than OTB, so I can't see how it will actually happen that both Magnus and Hans will play. Either Hans will be barred based on past online cheating, or Magnus will refuse to play for that reason, I would expect, unless some very radical anti-cheating measures are adopted that are hard to imagine. If both of them play without extreme measures, then surely Magnus would have to offer an alternative explanation for his earlier withdrawal.

That it’s about cheating is entirely speculative, based, as ever, on “because everybody says so”.
There’s no rule anywhere, btw, that says withdrawal has to be accompanied by an “explanation”. Magnus hasn’t offered any explanation in the first place, so the concept of his “offering an alternative explanation” is already illogical nonsense. That you and the rest of the internet have only one thought in your collective heads means nothing. Magnus is not required to refute the collective fantasising of an internet mob.

[lkaufman]

Apparently, there will be a chess tournament very soon where both MC and Hans will be playing. Should draw record viewings

What tourney is that?
Why would Magnus play against Hans if he believes...what he seems to believe?

How would anyone know what Magnus believes? He made one tweet with a Mourinho (sp?) quote which could mean almost anything. Magnus has said nothing since. As far as I know he disappeared off the radar. All anyone knows is Magnus played Hans and lost, then withdrew. That’s it. Everything else, including the meaning, if there was any, is supposition and speculation, and just because the entire internet jumped all over it with one theorised explanation only, says nothing for the theorised explanation. The whole internet, like any mob, has more than often got everything wrong in the past and perfectly possibly has it entirely wrong now too.

Well, we will probably find out soon, since this is an online tournament where cheating is much easier than OTB, so I can't see how it will actually happen that both Magnus and Hans will play. Either Hans will be barred based on past online cheating, or Magnus will refuse to play for that reason, I would expect, unless some very radical anti-cheating measures are adopted that are hard to imagine. If both of them play without extreme measures, then surely Magnus would have to offer an alternative explanation for his earlier withdrawal.

That it’s about cheating is entirely speculative, based, as ever, on “because everybody says so”.
There’s no rule anywhere, btw, that says withdrawal has to be accompanied by an “explanation”. Magnus hasn’t offered any explanation in the first place, so the concept of his “offering an alternative explanation” is already illogical nonsense. That you and the rest of the internet have only one thought in your collective heads means nothing. Magnus is not required to refute the collective fantasising of an internet mob.

If both Magnus and Hans play in this event with no comments by Magnus or unusual precautions by the organizers then that would confirm your idea. This would surprise me very much. I don't know whether Magnus has any legal or contractual obligation to explain his withdrawal, but any normal person would state that he didn't mean to imply cheating by his opponent if almost everyone thought that he did. Magnus may not be "normal" in his abilities, but I don't think of him as psychologically abnormal like Fischer for example. If you don't deny something that is almost universally believed to be true about you, then either it is true or else you want people to believe that it is true (or else you just don't care about public opinion of you, not credible regarding Carlsen). I don't see a big difference between "Carlsen believes Niemann cheated" and "Carlsen wants everyone to believe that he believes Neimann cheated".

[M ANSARI]

Yes of course Magnus could just say that he asked the tournament arbiters to require additional measures which they refused to do ... so he decided he would not participate. However you spin it for sure MC thought something was up and "fair play" was not being enforced. Remember that MC hasn't done anything like that before and he has lost against even younger new comers (even online where it is easier to cheat) and never once accused anyone of cheating. This time something must have happened which made him think things were not kosher.

MC has played online some bltiz games against Vidit on Chess.com a couple of days ago. I think he was farming Vidit to get the number one spot from Hikaru ... which he apparently was successful at.