My View On The Anti-Rybka Hate Campaign P.1

[Rolf]

Thanks Alex. Let me please add some in all shortness.

Youre under 30, right? Still a student?
I ask because I thought so much time about you, about your dedication for a topic. Tell me frankly, would you decide for real programs or for clones, if you had the choice? I mean working on. Being one of the programmers.

[Alexander Schmidt]

Thanks Alex. Let me please add some in all shortness.

Youre under 30, right? Still a student?
I ask because I thought so much time about you, about your dedication for a topic. Tell me frankly, would you decide for real programs or for clones, if you had the choice? I mean working on. Being one of the programmers.

I am 39. I don't support clones at all. I wrote that like 100 times. I even wrote an own movegenerator because I am interested in it. And I did it without looking into any open source engine. I even asked Tord Romstad to close the source of Glaurung because I think the open source engines are not good for computerchess in general.

[Terry McCracken]

Gee...I wonder why?

Thank you very much again for your nice contribution to a factual debate.

Seriously, you are the last person here who has the right to put my posts into question

Really? What crimes did I commit? Did I clone like you did? No. You're the last to talk, unbelievable!

People like you can go to....

[Alexander Schmidt]

Did I clone like you did?

What are you talking about? What did I clone?

If you mean Ippolit, I have nothing to do with it.

You are a real expert.

[Rolf]

Hi Alex,

so, you must be much more matured than what I could suppose. Please let me explain. I was sure that you cant have a real academic study passed through because you made this famous mistake when you claimed and defended that anonymous accusers and blackmailers of Vas should be granted the famous ...until proven guilty! Because in my books, Alex, someone who is hiding in the dark, should never attack people standing in public with their real names. If in such a case Vas said "clone", then this is for me the verdict. No chance for guys who are hiding. Because IMO hiding is not what honest people would do. That is such a basics for a higher education that I am still wondering why you might have missed that. In my case I already learned this when I played around with my friends between 6 and 10. Someone hiding or speaking bad about others wasnt reinforced.

We are now right in the middle of this whole debate.

IMO the guys of the anonymous program or who ordered such a thing are NOT unknown people. But they know that if they admitted this they would lose their good name. That is the only reason for their anonymity.

And also. They do NOT intend to sell their program. These creations are made for the sole purpose abd that is to harm Vas and destroy his business. It's basically blackmail, character assassination and terror. And that in our little field. What a nonsense.

If you defend them and argue for their rights, are you not at least a bit ashamed? Please tell me, why you dont see that anonymity and then attacking is something someone honest simply couldnt do!

Do you think that you could revise that in future or are you absolutely determined that anonymity isnt something evil?

Please dont answer just in a reflex mode. Please take your time and dont think for a moment that I am so naive to pretend that I might not also have my disadvantages. I'm certainly not a better guy. But this is by chance something what I learned as a kid already. Nobody ever as far as I know did ever oppose that basis in all my lifetime. That's why I am so surprised in your case.

[Le Fou numerique]

It is the same old question we all know, but with reversed colours:
Do you think that Rybka without the Fruit code would be of similar strength to what it is with the Fruit code?

Hi,

This is the right question.

Without Fruit: Rybka 1.5.32.

After Fruit: Rybka 1.0 beta.

Regards,
Patrick

[Rolf]

It is the same old question we all know, but with reversed colours:
Do you think that Rybka without the Fruit code would be of similar strength to what it is with the Fruit code?

Hi,

This is the right question.

Without Fruit: Rybka 1.5.32.

After Fruit: Rybka 1.0 beta.

Regards,
Patrick

Patrick, you have it wrong, sorry. That is a scandal for a tester like you. Take another look into the page. I did it. There you have Rybka, ok. And above Rybka, did you see the entry?

Correct, the German Johannes Zwanger (sic!) with Jonny. And now Johannes is a veritable participant in the championships with an engine of some 2800 I dont remember it actually.

So what is your argument?

I knew Rybka entries also from the testing of Günther prior to 2005.

But does it prove that now Rybka must contain code of Fruit??

I think you are totally in the wrong, believe me.

Else, all the best, I dont know you at all, so please dont take me wrong, but here you made a mistake in your short cut argument.

-Rolf

[Osipov Jury]

Es lebe die Freundschaft !

[Alexander Schmidt]

you made this famous mistake when you claimed and defended that anonymous accusers and blackmailers of Vas should be granted the famous ...until proven guilty!

Did VR say, the blackmailers are the Ippolit authors? Is he sure, or just guessing? Where did he say that? I can't find it atm.

[Rolf]

aka What is a Proof - what does it mean when Vas called the data a clone?

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Rolf, the only difference in our opinions is the question, if VR's statement is a proof or not.

I must smile, because, Alex, how could this be a serious question at all? How could this be a PROOF??? I mean how can you even ask this? So, let me shortly explain, in this direction it cant be understood as a proof. But in the opposite direction, you can neither claim that NOW it's proven that Vas has no evidence at all and so it's clear that he lied. You see the difference? I bet a million on that Vas didnt want to claim PROOF. What he said is his WORD, the WORD of a gentleman, which is much more than just a logical proof. It's a sort of proof, in such cases where you cant offer further evidence if you dont want to hurt your ownn cause just because you react on blackmailers. Was that clear enough for you? - So thanks so much, that this could be clarified because for me it was always the proof that these insulters of Vas have no ethics, because the topic that this couldnt be PROOF is not at all a topic here. It's completely out of any imagination. Look, Alex, the guy was at the famous MIT in the USA and there you enter with the knowledge already that this cant be a proof. If you dont they wont accept you at all.