The Junior/ Hiarcs Intifada

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Alexander Schmidt
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Re: The Junior/ Hiarcs Intifada

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Graham Banks wrote:You are a do nothing mod. Others are not. That's just life.
As mod it's better to do nothing than to act because of your personal preferences.

As mod you should not try to discern good and evil, you should try to enable factual discussion.

As mod you shouldn't take part in discussions like this, you should prevent discussions like this.

I don't think "You are a lousy mod" is worse than "You are a do nothing mod". I think you should not determine deletions of annoying posts. If you delete posts like this, you have to delete tons of your own posts.
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Re: The Junior/ Hiarcs Intifada

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Alexander Schmidt wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:You are a do nothing mod. Others are not. That's just life.
As mod it's better to do nothing than to act because of your personal preferences.

As mod you should not try to discern good and evil, you should try to enable factual discussion.

As mod you shouldn't take part in discussions like this, you should prevent discussions like this.

I don't think "You are a lousy mod" is worse than "You are a do nothing mod". I think you should not determine deletions of annoying posts. If you delete posts like this, you have to delete tons of your own posts.
The similarity is quite scary.

http://laurelpapworth.com/how-to-moderate-forum/
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Re: The Junior/ Hiarcs Intifada

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Back on topic:
yanquis1972 wrote:before everyone gets all worked up, its completely possible amir & shay will gladly give consent, & they just enjoy receiving letters & haven't been getting many lately.
Haha. That's funny!

Seriously, it's not as if Junior is not going to be compared against these engines anyway. And why pinpoint this particular tournament? Do they already know that no other tournaments will allow the "others" in?
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Re: The Junior/ Hiarcs Intifada

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Dayffd wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
bob wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
bob wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
bob wrote: Place has turned into a lousy place to discuss anything of substance, however. Hopefully it will be fixed in a few months...
You are a do nothing mod. Others are not. That's just life.

Cheers,
Graham.
There's a lesson to be learned there, if you just think about it for a bit. Being "heavy-handed" does _not_ equate to "being a good moderator".
Correct. Just the same as doing nothing does not equate to being a good moderator.
You miss the point. First, I did not "do nothing" all the time. But that's not the point either. "doing nothing" is _far_ better than "doing too much."

Simple concept, actually. Most here are adults, not 8 year olds in 3rd grade. If you can't stand a heated discussion at times, the internet is the wrong place to look for entertainment.
Heated discussions don't require personal abuse (which is disallowed by the charter).
Anyway, we're getting off topic here. We could always carry this discussion on elsewhere.
The beauty of elections here is that the members can choose their moderators.

Cheers,
Graham.
Excuse me, but what does this public sniping have to do with the thread's subject?
Or, more importantly, why this thread was moved in the first place?
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Re: The Junior/ Hiarcs Intifada

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Robert and Harvey,
I wrotte on "Rybka 4 is a mith" post, three days ago an absulute, normal and respectable post but it has desapeared. I am very confused about that. I have not understood what about that :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

What have been happening here in ? :shock: :shock:
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: The Junior/ Hiarcs Intifada

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Father wrote:Robert and Harvey,
I wrotte on "Rybka 4 is a mith" post, three days ago an absulute, normal and respectable post but it has desapeared. I am very confused about that. I have not understood what about that :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

What have been happening here in ? :shock: :shock:
Hello Pablo,

I think it was probably moved out of this forum, to a thread now called "Clone discussion" in the other forum. You can go there clicking

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... ht=#336365

You could have found it back if you had clicked on your own profile, where there is a link to all your own posts.

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Re: The Junior/ Hiarcs Intifada

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Hello Eelco.
Thank you very much. Now i know where has got it.
Regards,
Pablo :D
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: The Junior/ Hiarcs Intifada

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Alexander Schmidt wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:You are a do nothing mod. Others are not. That's just life.
As mod it's better to do nothing than to act because of your personal preferences.

As mod you should not try to discern good and evil, you should try to enable factual discussion.

As mod you shouldn't take part in discussions like this, you should prevent discussions like this.

I don't think "You are a lousy mod" is worse than "You are a do nothing mod". I think you should not determine deletions of annoying posts. If you delete posts like this, you have to delete tons of your own posts.
Personally I like it when a moderator removes inflammatory posts and errors on the side of removing instead of keeping them. I think I have made posts that should have been removed. I would not have been upset if they had been (a couple I even removed myself.)

You guys take a simple action like removing a post as evil and sinister and equate the action to something worth of making the 10 most evil dictator lists. I think you WAY over-react to that.

The problem of course is that if you remove a post, the response is usually going to be the accusations of a dictatorship. Believe me this is not like an evil government situation where people are driven out their homes and assisnated or the moderators are getting financial incentives from the evil corporations. Instead it's just people being babies because they happened to overact to some situation and get their posts removed.

I think the moderators can remove a post and it's their job to do so at their discretion. They will NEVER do a perfect job by everyones estimation because there is a huge amount of variation of opinion about what they should do. But it seems to me that we should all just be respecting their decisions and if we don't like it then we should vote them out on the next turn. Why is it any more complicated than that?

I know I'm going to get a lecture from someone about going down the "slippery slope" and communism and all of that, but if you want to play government you can find forums that deal with that explicitly and there is no need to express paranoid fantasies of evil dictatorships here.

I have discovered that most peoples reaction to "offensive" posts has more to do with their points of view than how offensive the post actually was to someone. It's also related to whether they do not like the person who was insulted - regardless of how much hurt was caused. For this reason I cut the moderators a lot of slack, I know that none of them are going to be perfect judges because they are humans.

When I was moderator many years ago, the people who cried "evil dictatorship" the loudest often were the most demanding that someone else's posts should be removed. Of course each case is different, but it illustrated to me that this is extremely subjective. You can be sure that if someone calls you a "jerk" and you call them an "idiot" then they are going to see "idiot" is a much harsher term than "jerk".
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Re: The Junior/ Hiarcs Intifada

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Don wrote:
Alexander Schmidt wrote:I don't think "You are a lousy mod" is worse than "You are a do nothing mod". I think you should not determine deletions of annoying posts. If you delete posts like this, you have to delete tons of your own posts.
Personally I like it when a moderator removes inflammatory posts and errors on the side of removing instead of keeping them.
I have no problem with deleted posts as long as the same standards apply to all here, regardless their opinion and regardless if they are moderators :)
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Re: The Junior/ Hiarcs Intifada

Post by Terry McCracken »

Sylwy wrote:Comrades to play against capitalists ?????
What joke is this ???????
Money to play against " pro deo " entities ?????
What joke is this ???????
In my tournaments all Ippo/Robbo families are welcomed !
Serious !
I'm a democrat !
Belive me !

:lol: :lol: 8-) :lol: :lol:

Yours,
Silvian
Who's the girl in your avatar?
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