Stockfish: Our lawsuit against ChessBase

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Re: Stockfish: Our lawsuit against ChessBase

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dkappe wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:30 am
gaard wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:22 am You're obviously implying AG is both unlettered and "not too bright", because for some reason that was easier than admitting you were wrong. Why do you insist on making ChessBase look worse and worse?
I said that he reminded me of a girl that would send dictionary definitions instead of mounting an argument. I suspect an adult introduced her to a dictionary so she could remedy her intellectual defects. I can’t begin to speculate why Andy does the same thing.

As for ChessBase, why would anything I say make them look better or worse, and why should I care?
Why? Because you are their main proponent here, yet you continue to debase yourself while acting as their apologist. It's not a good look, for you or them.
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Re: Stockfish: Our lawsuit against ChessBase

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gaard wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:34 am
Why? Because you are their main proponent here, yet you continue to debase yourself while acting as their apologist. It's not a good look.
Oh boy. You haven’t read or understood anything I’ve said about FF1 and FF2, have you? I have been entirely consistent in saying that they (FF1 and FF2 in its remedied form) comply with the GPLv3. That’s it.

Personally, I think ChessBase should support the Stockfish and Leela projects in some way, but they are under no obligation to do so.
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Re: Stockfish: Our lawsuit against ChessBase

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dkappe wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:41 am
gaard wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:34 am
Why? Because you are their main proponent here, yet you continue to debase yourself while acting as their apologist. It's not a good look.
Oh boy. You haven’t read or understood anything I’ve said about FF1 and FF2, have you? I have been entirely consistent in saying that they (FF1 and FF2 in its remedied form) comply with the GPLv3. That’s it.

Personally, I think ChessBase should support the Stockfish and Leela projects in some way, but they are under no obligation to do so.
Oh, boy. I've been paying attention and you provided us with the entertainment of debating the definition of the word illegal. Weaseling is not a good look either. Try again.
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Re: Stockfish: Our lawsuit against ChessBase

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gaard wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:44 am
Oh, boy. I've been paying attention and you provided us with the entertainment of debating the definition of the word illegal. Weaseling is not a good look either. Try again.
Fine. I’ll stipulate that I was incorrect in pointing out the misuse of the word “illegal” in this context. Better?

That doesn’t change anything about the fundamental point:
dkappe wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:44 am 3. The distribution of the corrected FF2 adheres to both the letter and spirit of the GPLv3. There is nothing to defend.
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Re: Stockfish: Our lawsuit against ChessBase

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dkappe wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:57 am
gaard wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:44 am
Oh, boy. I've been paying attention and you provided us with the entertainment of debating the definition of the word illegal. Weaseling is not a good look either. Try again.
Fine. I’ll stipulate that I was incorrect in pointing out the misuse of the word “illegal” in this context. Better?

That doesn’t change anything about the fundamental point:
dkappe wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:44 am 3. The distribution of the corrected FF2 adheres to both the letter and spirit of the GPLv3. There is nothing to defend.
I can't disagree but I'm not sure how or if FF2 is a component of the lawsuit. Unless you have more info, I'm left to speculate.
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Re: Stockfish: Our lawsuit against ChessBase

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gaard wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:05 am
dkappe wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:57 am
gaard wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:44 am
Oh, boy. I've been paying attention and you provided us with the entertainment of debating the definition of the word illegal. Weaseling is not a good look either. Try again.
Fine. I’ll stipulate that I was incorrect in pointing out the misuse of the word “illegal” in this context. Better?

That doesn’t change anything about the fundamental point:
dkappe wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:44 am 3. The distribution of the corrected FF2 adheres to both the letter and spirit of the GPLv3. There is nothing to defend.
I can't disagree but I'm not sure how or if FF2 is a component of the lawsuit. Unless you have more info, I'm left to speculate.
Seriously? Have you bothered to read anything? Check the original post in this thread and the Stockfish blog post(s) it points to. On the ignore list you go.
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Re: Stockfish: Our lawsuit against ChessBase

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dkappe wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:30 am
gaard wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:22 am You're obviously implying AG is both unlettered and "not too bright", because for some reason that was easier than admitting you were wrong. Why do you insist on making ChessBase look worse and worse?
I said that he reminded me of a girl that would send dictionary definitions instead of mounting an argument. I suspect an adult introduced her to a dictionary so she could remedy her intellectual defects. I can’t begin to speculate why Andy does the same thing.

As for ChessBase, why would anything I say make them look better or worse, and why should I care?
I'm not too bright, but with the help of my friends I am able to comply with the very small set of requirements attached to the GPLv3 :)

Thanks to all my good friends for helping me out. Its hard being a dumb man in a slightly-above-average forum.
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Re: Stockfish: Our lawsuit against ChessBase

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dkappe wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:24 am
gaard wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:05 am
dkappe wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:57 am
gaard wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:44 am
Oh, boy. I've been paying attention and you provided us with the entertainment of debating the definition of the word illegal. Weaseling is not a good look either. Try again.
Fine. I’ll stipulate that I was incorrect in pointing out the misuse of the word “illegal” in this context. Better?

That doesn’t change anything about the fundamental point:
dkappe wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:44 am 3. The distribution of the corrected FF2 adheres to both the letter and spirit of the GPLv3. There is nothing to defend.
I can't disagree but I'm not sure how or if FF2 is a component of the lawsuit. Unless you have more info, I'm left to speculate.
Seriously? Have you bothered to read anything? Check the original post in this thread and the Stockfish blog post(s) it points to. On the ignore list you go.
If you mean to imply that corrected violation precludes repeated violations then you are still, unfortunately, wrong.
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Re: Stockfish: Our lawsuit against ChessBase

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AndrewGrant wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:29 am
dkappe wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:30 am
gaard wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:22 am You're obviously implying AG is both unlettered and "not too bright", because for some reason that was easier than admitting you were wrong. Why do you insist on making ChessBase look worse and worse?
I said that he reminded me of a girl that would send dictionary definitions instead of mounting an argument. I suspect an adult introduced her to a dictionary so she could remedy her intellectual defects. I can’t begin to speculate why Andy does the same thing.

As for ChessBase, why would anything I say make them look better or worse, and why should I care?
I'm not too bright, but with the help of my friends I am able to comply with the very small set of requirements attached to the GPLv3 :)

Thanks to all my good friends for helping me out. Its hard being a dumb man in a slightly-above-average forum.
dkappe
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Re: Stockfish: Our lawsuit against ChessBase

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Come on guys, it’s not that complicated. You say that FF2 is an ongoing GPLv3 violation. I say it isn’t. We’ll know sooner or later what the courts say.
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