The Elite II 64-bit 1CPU

[S.Taylor]

Again, it is too much to ignore. Strelka results in this test have been unbelievable.

Just a lucky tournament so far I think, these things happen

This is not that surprising, Ray. Even when Strelka 5.x was first released, it was scoring very well in 1-core matches and tournaments.

There is no multicore version yet, though if we only compare 1-cpu engines then Houdini's dominance is somewhat reduced.

Regards,
CL

Why would Houdini's dominance be somewhat reduced if it is about 80 elo more than Strelka?

[carldaman]

It was a reference to Houdini 3 single core being weaker than Houdini 3 multicore, and therefore the gap between (single core) Strelka and single core Houdini being 'smaller'. I checked the latest CCRL 40/40 list and the difference is actually 69 points.

When the latest Strelka came out this year it performed very well against Houdini running on single core. The difference between Strelka and Houdini 2 (1-cpu) is merely 22 points on the same list. Houdini 1.5 (1-cpu) is actually rated higher than Houdini 2.0 (1-cpu).

Houdini 1.5a 64-bit 3184
Houdini 2.0c 64-bit 3174
Strelka 5.5 64-bit 3152

http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/r ... t_all.html

There's no multiprocessor Strelka available for now.


Regards,
CL

[Graham Banks]

THE ELITE II 64-bit 1CPU

Intel i5 Quad
ChessGUI
256mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
Graham2012.cgb book
40 moves in 25 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
All engines 64-bit 1CPU
4 cycles 44 rounds


Round 26

Critter 1.6a 64-bit v Sting SF 2 64-bit (1-0)
Rybka 4.1 64-bit v Strelka 5.5 64-bit (draw)
Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit v Komodo 5 64-bit (0-1)
Equinox 1.65 64-bit v Houdini 3 64-bit (0-1)
Bouquet 1.6 64-bit v Chiron 1.5 64-bit (0-1)
IvanHoe 9.46h 64-bit v Vitruvius 1.11C 64-bit (draw)


Standings after Round 26

19.0 - Houdini 3 64-bit
19.0 - Strelka 5.5 64-bit
15.5 - Komodo 5 64-bit
14.0 - Critter 1.6a 64-bit
13.5 - Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit
13.0 - IvanHoe 9.46h 64-bit
12.0 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit
11.5 - Bouquet 1.6 64-bit
11.0 - Equinox 1.65 64-bit
9.5 - Sting SF 2 64-bit
9.5 - Vitruvius 1.11C 64-bit
8.5 - Chiron 1.5 64-bit


Round 26 PGN - http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=28256

If you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://home.pacific.net.au/~tommyinoz/client.zip
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16053

There is also a live broadcast in Playchess.

[S.Taylor]

It was a reference to Houdini 3 single core being weaker than Houdini 3 multicore, and therefore the gap between (single core) Strelka and single core Houdini being 'smaller'. I checked the latest CCRL 40/40 list and the difference is actually 69 points.

When the latest Strelka came out this year it performed very well against Houdini running on single core. The difference between Strelka and Houdini 2 (1-cpu) is merely 22 points on the same list. Houdini 1.5 (1-cpu) is actually rated higher than Houdini 2.0 (1-cpu).

Houdini 1.5a 64-bit 3184
Houdini 2.0c 64-bit 3174
Strelka 5.5 64-bit 3152

http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/r ... t_all.html

There's no multiprocessor Strelka available for now.


Regards,
CL

Well, I suppose if you (anyone) keep talking about this, and Robert Houdart reads it, or even if you ask him about it direct, he gets irritated and upset, instead of being thankful that you are so interested in his work.
[people who say worse things, he seems to get less upset about]
I suppose, that before i post anything about Houdini, I have to get the EXACT facts straight, first thing. Not to say what my impressions are, even if they are backed up.
I'll say one good thing, which is my impression only, that there is a good improvement between Houdini 1.5 and 1.5a. (or is that also, an insult, because maybe the improvement is from 1 to 1.5, and the difference between 1.5 and 1.5a is only because of a bug or technical error?)

[S.Taylor]

It was a reference to Houdini 3 single core being weaker than Houdini 3 multicore, and therefore the gap between (single core) Strelka and single core Houdini being 'smaller'. I checked the latest CCRL 40/40 list and the difference is actually 69 points.

When the latest Strelka came out this year it performed very well against Houdini running on single core. The difference between Strelka and Houdini 2 (1-cpu) is merely 22 points on the same list. Houdini 1.5 (1-cpu) is actually rated higher than Houdini 2.0 (1-cpu).

CL

So for those who only had a single proccessor, didn't need Houdini 2. And now too, are not that desperate, before Houdini 4 comes out.

[Matthias Gemuh]

...
I'll say one good thing, which is my impression only, that there is a good improvement between Houdini 1.5 and 1.5a. ...

So forgetful ? 1.5a merely fixed an incompatibility in FritzGUI.
1.5 and 1.5a are identical chess-wise.

[S.Taylor]

...
I'll say one good thing, which is my impression only, that there is a good improvement between Houdini 1.5 and 1.5a. ...

So forgetful ? 1.5a merely fixed an incompatibility in FritzGUI.
1.5 and 1.5a are identical chess-wise.

Thanks. But i'm not sure that i knew that then.
The one before 1.5a was not beating Rybka 4.1, but 1.5a WAS.....
.....I THINK. (I'm refering to in TCEC)

[velmarin]

It seems we have two threads into one.

The Graham Tournament interesting.

And the other,,,, as usual,,,, boring.



Merry Christmas
Actually I posted to see my granddaughter in Avatar

[ernest]

And the other,,,, as usual,,,, boring.

Indeed!
I don't know what's going on with Simon...
Maybe after all he did get injured by one of those terrorist rockets, but he doesn't know yet...

[Graham Banks]

THE ELITE II 64-bit 1CPU

Intel i5 Quad
ChessGUI
256mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
Graham2012.cgb book
40 moves in 25 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
All engines 64-bit 1CPU
4 cycles 44 rounds


Round 27

Rybka 4.1 64-bit v Sting SF 2 64-bit (1-0)
Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit v Critter 1.6a 64-bit (1-0)
Equinox 1.65 64-bit v Strelka 5.5 64-bit (1-0)
Bouquet 1.6 64-bit v Komodo 5 64-bit (0-1)
IvanHoe 9.46h 64-bit v Houdini 3 64-bit (0-1)
Vitruvius 1.11C 64-bit v Chiron 1.5 64-bit (1-0)


Standings after Round 27

20.0 - Houdini 3 64-bit
19.0 - Strelka 5.5 64-bit
16.5 - Komodo 5 64-bit
14.5 - Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit
14.0 - Critter 1.6a 64-bit
13.0 - IvanHoe 9.46h 64-bit
13.0 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit
12.0 - Equinox 1.65 64-bit
11.5 - Bouquet 1.6 64-bit
10.5 - Vitruvius 1.11C 64-bit
9.5 - Sting SF 2 64-bit
8.5 - Chiron 1.5 64-bit


Round 27 PGN - http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=28259

If you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://home.pacific.net.au/~tommyinoz/client.zip
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16053

There is also a live broadcast in Playchess.