CCT 11: Games so far...

[Nick C]

but Peter would have come under fire no matter how he ruled on it.

I totally agree. My advice to him was to ignore any hate mail or derogatory comments. I think that he and I agree to disagree about the severity of the ruling, but hopefully there is no animosity there at all.

[ernst]

Let's move CCT11 event on Playchess Server, than we will see how many crashes will be there... My guess is none

You conveniently have forgotten the about freestyle mess over there.

[Graham Banks]

but Peter would have come under fire no matter how he ruled on it.

I totally agree. My advice to him was to ignore any hate mail or derogatory comments. I think that he and I agree to disagree about the severity of the ruling, but hopefully there is no animosity there at all.

Yeah. I found the best thing about being a TD was getting paid for it, but Peter doesn't even have that. He's doing it for the love of computer chess.

[Nick C]

Fair enough, I think my point is that if the WCCC does eventually move to an online format then we need to protect the integrity of the results from blundering operators like me, as H.G.M so kindly pointed out I'm sure also that Charles cannot be happy with the point he got from us.

[glorfindel]

so I'm confused, do you think that intention matters or not?

It matters until you sign. After you have signed, it does not matter.
If you make a protest afterwards, then the arbiter will show you your signature and turn the protest down. How would you prove your intention was different, when your signature says otherwise?

You must also think about it the other way. The decision about the outcome must be finalized at some point in time. Because the tournament must continue. We cannot wait forever, triple-checking and making sure the result is correct.

[Nick C]

Yeah. I found the best thing about being a TD was getting paid for it, but Peter doesn't even have that. He's doing it for the love of computer chess. Wink

Yes, the operators are not paid also, and I dread to think of the money that Lukas has spent on his hardware, did he get paid, no. We are just addicts I guess

[Graham Banks]

Yeah. I found the best thing about being a TD was getting paid for it, but Peter doesn't even have that. He's doing it for the love of computer chess. Wink

Yes, the operators are not paid also, and I dread to think of the money that Lukas has spent on his hardware, did he get paid, no. We are just addicts I guess

Yep, that's for sure!

[Nick C]

It matters until you sign. After you have signed, it does not matter.

Yes, thanks, I think I agree. This makes the "signing" process very important for any proposed online WCCC, see my previous post, currently it is not sufficient as there is a possibility that it does not match intent, ie. it is putting a gun to the head of the "resigner".

[Matthias Gemuh]

..., if it did I am sure we would not be having this discussion,

I am sure we would. This is not a technical problem, it would be no problem at all to resume a game from where you resigned by simply pasting in the FEN of the position where you resigned in a loadable game, and play from there.

Point is that the FIDE rules, by which we are playing, specify that a game is finished after you resign. That you did not intend to resign is immaterial, just as it is immaterial in any games you win that the opponent did not intend to be checkmated.

CCT is not a contest between programs, it is a match between teams consisting of machines, programs, programmers and operators. If one team includes a blundering operator that cost them the game, too bad for them. Apparently the operator is the Achilles heel of the Rybka team. Other teams have to deal with, e.g., far inferior hardware. We don't 'correct' any wins of Rybka against those teams to 1/2-1/2 results because they did not intend their hardware to be inferior either.

You are frank and right

Matthias.

[Nick C]

You are frank and right

No, he's H.G.M and he has an opinion.

Sorry, I couldn't resist it Peace.