Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

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michiguel wrote:I black goes to Kh6 - h5 forcing gxh5 Kxh5, then Kh6 + g --> g6/ hxg6 Kxg6 white wins if at that point black cannot play Kf8 (for instance, the bishop is in c5). Blacks needs to be very careful about this, but it may be able to draw forcing the B out of c5, with Kg7 (after Kxh5) Bd4+ Kf7 /Kh6 Bd3. If at that point, after trading pawns in h5, black can defend h7 with the bishop (Bd3) and black can take the King to f8-e8 it is an automatic draw. I think it is a draw but not yet.
In your variation after h5 black is not forced to take gxh5 but simply plays Be8, like in the game.

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AdminX wrote:[d]6k1/1p5p/p1bPp1pK/P6P/3B4/5P2/1P4P1/8 b - - 0 44
Why the hell anand played Bc6? it would be a draw now hxg5 - Kf8 - Bd3.

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michiguel wrote:Why the hell anand played Bc6? it would be a draw now hxg5 - Kf8 - Bd3.
Because Black is in no real danger?
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Milos wrote:
Sven Schüle wrote:I invite you to come back to that discussion after you have learned more about this type of chess endgames, and after you have also realized why current engines evaluate it as +1.XX.
Again your usual, I'm the smartest, you know shit argument...blah. I leave you to it...
You were the one who tried to be smartest by throwing in the comment that Topalov (or another time, Anand) had missed some better move in the bishops ending. And you did this several times in this thread, each time wrong.

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Houdini wrote:
michiguel wrote:Why the hell anand played Bc6? it would be a draw now hxg5 - Kf8 - Bd3.
Because Black is in no real danger?
That's not the point, Bb5 or Ba4 keeps always the chance to relocate the bishop. There is no reason to cut your possibilities even if you feel safe (that is how you could lose a draw game, one suboptimal move after another).

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Sven Schüle wrote:And you did this several times in this thread, each time wrong.
Says who? Sven Schüle famous club chess player of rating slightly below his Surprise who eats 3200 elo engines for breakfast. Give me a break...
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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

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Sven Schüle wrote:
michiguel wrote:I black goes to Kh6 - h5 forcing gxh5 Kxh5, then Kh6 + g --> g6/ hxg6 Kxg6 white wins if at that point black cannot play Kf8 (for instance, the bishop is in c5). Blacks needs to be very careful about this, but it may be able to draw forcing the B out of c5, with Kg7 (after Kxh5) Bd4+ Kf7 /Kh6 Bd3. If at that point, after trading pawns in h5, black can defend h7 with the bishop (Bd3) and black can take the King to f8-e8 it is an automatic draw. I think it is a draw but not yet.
In your variation after h5 black is not forced to take gxh5 but simply plays Be8, like in the game.

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Anand found another resistance.
Be8 hxg6 hxg6 d7 Bxd7 Kxg6 Bc6! (only move, Kf8 Bc5+ Ke8 g4 may win) Kf6 Bd5

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