Carlsen or Nepomniachtchi – Who will win?

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Who will Win?

Poll ended at Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:33 pm

Magnus Carlsen
31
74%
Ian Nepomniachtchi
11
26%
 
Total votes: 42

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Re: Carlsen or Nepomniachtchi – Who will win?

Post by Cornfed »

jdart wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:02 pm Looks like Carlsen did what he is famous for: torture his opponent in the endgame until he cracks.
Of course, he got to that point with an imbalance. Nepo was probably wrong to offer that with ...Rc8 allowing 2 rooks for the Queen. Imbalances are often key to Carlsen outplaying someone - which is why I liked game 1 so much. Chess isn't accounting.

I've said Carlsen is an alchemist - give him the least little bit of something (can I coin that phrase?) and he will find ways to push and sometimes punish his opponents. On some days only Carlsen can beat Carlsen (going too far); but he is a master of the 'fine art of brinksmanship' in tempting the fates.
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Re: Carlsen or Nepomniachtchi – Who will win?

Post by Chessqueen »

Cornfed wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:45 pm
jdart wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:02 pm Looks like Carlsen did what he is famous for: torture his opponent in the endgame until he cracks.
Of course, he got to that point with an imbalance. Nepo was probably wrong to offer that with ...Rc8 allowing 2 rooks for the Queen. Imbalances are often key to Carlsen outplaying someone - which is why I liked game 1 so much. Chess isn't accounting.

I've said Carlsen is an alchemist - give him the least little bit of something (can I coin that phrase?) and he will find ways to push and sometimes punish his opponents. On some days only Carlsen can beat Carlsen (going too far); but he is a master of the 'fine art of brinksmanship' in tempting the fates.
I believe that GM Nepo worse move was 130.........Qe6? since 130.......Qb1 or Qc2 would have been better making the game last up to move 145 or longer

[fen]4k3/8/8/4PR2/5P2/6NK/q7/8 b - - 2 130[/fen]

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41 00:01 3,801k 2,063k -1.25 Qa2-c2 Rf5-f6 Qc2-d1 Kh3-h4 Qd1-e1 Rf6-g6 Qe1-f2 Kh4-g4 Qf2-g2 Rg6-g7 Ke8-f8 Rg7-h7 Kf8-e8 Rh7-h5 Ke8-f7 Rh5-h8 Kf7-e7 Rh8-h1 Ke7-f7 Rh1-e1 Kf7-e7 e5-e6 Qg2-d5 Re1-e2 Qd5-d1 Kg4-g5 Qd1-g1 Re2-e3 Qg1-g2 Kg5-g4 Qg2-g1 Re3-e5 Qg1-d1+ Re5-e2 Qd1-g1 Kg4-h4 Qg1-c1 Ng3-h5 Qc1-c8 Re2-e5 Qc8-g8 f4-f5 Qg8-g2 f5-f6+ Ke7-d6 Nh5-f4
42 00:02 5,978k 1,999k -1.25 Qa2-c2 Rf5-f6 Qc2-d1 Kh3-h4 Qd1-e1 Rf6-g6 Qe1-f2 Kh4-g4 Qf2-g2 Rg6-g7 Ke8-f8 Rg7-h7 Kf8-e8 Rh7-h5 Ke8-f7 Rh5-h8 Kf7-e7 Rh8-h1 Ke7-f7 Rh1-e1 Kf7-e7 Re1-e4 Qg2-g1 Re4-c4 Ke7-f7 Rc4-c6 Qg1-g2 Rc6-c7+ Kf7-e8 Rc7-h7 Ke8-f8 Rh7-d7 Qg2-c6 Rd7-d6 Qc6-g2 Rd6-h6 Kf8-f7 Rh6-h1 Kf7-e7 Rh1-h8 Ke7-f7 Rh8-h6 Kf7-f8 Rh6-d6 Kf8-e7 f4-f5 Qg2-b2 f5-f6+ Ke7-e8
43 00:05 10,404k 1,880k -1.25 Qa2-c2 Rf5-f6 Qc2-d1 Kh3-h4 Qd1-e1 Rf6-g6 Qe1-f2 Kh4-g4 Qf2-g2 Rg6-g7 Ke8-f8 Rg7-h7 Kf8-e8 Rh7-h5 Ke8-f7 Rh5-h8 Kf7-e7 Rh8-h1 Ke7-f7 Rh1-e1 Kf7-e7 Re1-e4 Qg2-g1 Re4-c4 Ke7-f7 Rc4-c6 Qg1-g2 Rc6-c7+ Kf7-e8 Rc7-h7 Ke8-f8 Rh7-d7 Qg2-c6 Rd7-d6 Qc6-g2 Rd6-d8+ Kf8-e7 Rd8-h8 Ke7-f7 Rh8-h1 Kf7-e7 Rh1-e1 Qg2-c2 Kg4-g5 Qc2-d2 Re1-a1 Qd2-g2 Ra1-a7+ Ke7-f8 Ra7-a3
44 00:07 13,624k 1,876k -1.25 Qa2-c2 Rf5-f6 Qc2-d1 Kh3-h4 Qd1-e1 Rf6-g6 Qe1-f2 Kh4-g4 Qf2-g2 Rg6-g7 Ke8-f8 Rg7-h7 Kf8-e8 Rh7-h5 Ke8-f7 Rh5-h8 Kf7-e7 Rh8-h1 Ke7-f7 Rh1-e1 Kf7-e7 Re1-e4 Qg2-g1 Re4-c4 Ke7-f7 Rc4-c6 Qg1-g2 Rc6-c7+ Kf7-e8 Rc7-h7 Ke8-f8 Rh7-h6 Kf8-f7 Rh6-d6 Kf7-e7 Rd6-d3 Qg2-c6 Rd3-d4 Qc6-g2 Rd4-a4 Qg2-g1 Ra4-a6 Qg1-g2 Ra6-a7+ Ke7-e8 Ra7-c7 Qg2-g1 Rc7-c8+ Ke8-f7 Rc8-d8
45 00:26 42,988k 1,607k -1.25 Qa2-c2 Rf5-f6 Qc2-d1 Kh3-h4 Qd1-e1 Rf6-g6 Qe1-f2 Kh4-g4 Qf2-g2 Rg6-g7 Ke8-f8 Rg7-h7 Kf8-e8 Rh7-h5 Ke8-f7 Rh5-h8 Kf7-e7 Rh8-h1 Ke7-f7 Rh1-e1 Kf7-e7 Re1-e4 Qg2-g1 Re4-c4 Ke7-f7 Rc4-c6 Qg1-g2 Rc6-c7+ Kf7-e8 Rc7-h7 Ke8-f8 Rh7-d7 Qg2-c6 Rd7-d8+ Kf8-e7 Rd8-d4 Qc6-g2 Rd4-a4 Qg2-g1 Ra4-a6 Qg1-g2 Ra6-h6 Ke7-f8 Rh6-d6 Kf8-e7 f4-f5 Qg2-b2 f5-f6+ Ke7-e8
46 00:35 58,021k 1,621k -1.25 Qa2-c2 Rf5-f6 Qc2-d1 Kh3-h4 Qd1-e1 Rf6-g6 Qe1-f2 Kh4-g4 Qf2-g2 Rg6-g7 Ke8-f8 Rg7-h7 Kf8-e8 Rh7-h5 Ke8-f7 Rh5-h8 Kf7-e7 Rh8-h6 Ke7-f7 Rh6-f6+ Kf7-e7 Rf6-a6 Ke7-e8 Ra6-a7 Ke8-f8 Ra7-d7 Qg2-c6 Rd7-d6 Qc6-g2 Rd6-d8+ Kf8-e7 Rd8-c8 Ke7-e6 Rc8-c7 Qg2-d5 Rc7-g7 Qd5-d1+ Kg4-h4 Qd1-d3 Ng3-h5 Qd3-c2 Kh4-g5 Qc2-f5+ Kg5-h6 Qf5-f8 Kh6-h7 Qf8-f5+ Rg7-g6+ Ke6-f7 e5-e6+ Kf7-e7 Kh7-h6 Qf5-h3 Rg6-f6 Qh3-e3 Kh6-g6 Qe3-g1+ Kg6-h7
47 01:19 122,196k 1,537k -1.25 Qa2-c2 Rf5-f6 Qc2-d1 Kh3-h4 Qd1-e1 Rf6-g6 Qe1-f2 Kh4-g4 Qf2-g2 Rg6-g7 Ke8-f8 Rg7-h7 Kf8-e8 Rh7-h5 Ke8-f7 Rh5-h8 Kf7-e7 Rh8-h6 Ke7-f7 Rh6-h5 Kf7-e7 Rh5-h8 Ke7-f7 Rh8-d8 Kf7-e7 Rd8-d3 Ke7-e8 Rd3-d4 Ke8-e7 Rd4-c4 Qg2-g1 Rc4-c6 Qg1-g2 Rc6-c7+ Ke7-f8 Rc7-d7 Qg2-c6 Rd7-d8+ Kf8-f7 Rd8-d6 Qc6-g2 Rd6-d7+ Kf7-f8 e5-e6 Kf8-e8 Rd7-h7 Qg2-d5 Ng3-f5 Qd5-g2+ Kg4-h5 Qg2-h1+ Nf5-h4 Qh1-d1+ Kh5-g5 Qd1-g1+ Kg5-f6 Qg1-d4+ Kf6-g6 Qd4-g1+ Kg6-h6
48 01:59 180,586k 1,517k -1.25 Qa2-c2 Rf5-f6 Qc2-d1 Kh3-h4 Qd1-e1 Rf6-g6 Qe1-f2 Kh4-g4 Qf2-g2 Rg6-g7 Ke8-f8 Rg7-h7 Kf8-e8 Rh7-h5 Ke8-f7 Rh5-h8 Kf7-e7 Rh8-h6 Ke7-f8 Rh6-f6+ Kf8-e8 Rf6-f5 Qg2-g1 Rf5-h5 Qg1-d1+ Kg4-g5 Qd1-g1 Rh5-h3 Qg1-g2 Kg5-g4 Ke8-f7 Rh3-h1 Kf7-f8 Rh1-d1 Kf8-e7 Rd1-a1 Qg2-b7 Ra1-h1 Qb7-g2 Rh1-d1 Ke7-f8 Rd1-d7 Qg2-c6 Rd7-d8+ Kf8-f7 Rd8-d6 Qc6-g2 Rd6-d7+ Kf7-e8 Rd7-h7 Qg2-c6 Rh7-g7 Qc6-g2 e5-e6 Qg2-d5 Ng3-f5 Qd5-g2+ Kg4-h4
49 02:59 269,132k 1,503k -1.25 Qa2-c2 Rf5-f6 Qc2-d1 Kh3-h4 Qd1-e1 Rf6-g6 Qe1-f2 Kh4-g4 Qf2-g2 Rg6-g7 Ke8-f8 Rg7-h7 Kf8-e8 Rh7-h5 Ke8-f7 Rh5-h8 Kf7-e7 Rh8-h6 Ke7-f8 Rh6-a6 Kf8-e8 Ra6-d6 Ke8-e7 Rd6-f6 Ke7-e8 Rf6-a6 Ke8-f7 Ra6-a7+ Kf7-f8 Ra7-a1 Kf8-e7 Ra1-h1 Ke7-f8 Rh1-d1 Kf8-e8 Rd1-c1 Ke8-e7 Rc1-c7+ Ke7-f8 Rc7-d7 Kf8-e8 Rd7-h7 Qg2-c6 Rh7-g7 Qc6-g2 e5-e6 Qg2-d5 Ng3-f5 Qd5-g2+ Kg4-h4 Qg2-h1+ Kh4-g5 Qh1-g2+ Kg5-f6
50 07:03 641,942k 1,515k -1.26 Qa2-c2 Rf5-g5 Ke8-d7 Rg5-h5 Qc2-f2 Rh5-h7+ Kd7-e6 Rh7-h6+ Ke6-f7 Rh6-f6+ Kf7-g8 Kh3-g4 Qf2-g2 Rf6-f5 Qg2-a2 Ng3-h5 Kg8-h7 Kg4-h3 Qa2-d2 Nh5-g3 Qd2-d5 Kh3-h4 Qd5-d2 Rf5-f6 Qd2-c1 Kh4-g4 Qc1-d1+ Kg4-h3 Kh7-g8 Kh3-h4 Qd1-d2 Kh4-g5 Qd2-g2 Kg5-g4 Qg2-b2 Ng3-h5 Kg8-h7 Kg4-h3 Qb2-e2 Nh5-g3 Qe2-d2 Rf6-f8 Qd2-e3 Kh3-g4 Qe3-b3 Kg4-h4 Qb3-e6 Rf8-f5 Qe6-d5 Rf5-h5+ Kh7-g6 Rh5-g5+ Kg6-h7 Kh4-g4 Qd5-d7+ Rg5-f5 Qd7-d5 Rf5-h5+ Kh7-g6 Rh5-g5+ Kg6-f7 Rg5-f5+ Kf7-g7
50 07:43 710,373k 1,533k -1.25 Qa2-b1 Rf5-f6 Qb1-d1 Kh3-h4 Qd1-e1 Rf6-g6 Qe1-f2 Kh4-g4 Qf2-g2 Rg6-g7 Ke8-f8 Rg7-h7 Kf8-e8 Rh7-h5 Ke8-f7 Rh5-f5+ Kf7-e6 Rf5-f6+ Ke6-d7 Rf6-h6 Kd7-e8 Rh6-h8+ Ke8-e7 Rh8-c8 Ke7-f7 Rc8-c7+ Kf7-f8 Rc7-c3 Kf8-f7 Kg4-f5 Qg2-h3+ Kf5-g5 Qh3-g2 Rc3-c7+ Kf7-e8 Rc7-c8+ Ke8-d7 Rc8-c3 Kd7-e8 Rc3-b3 Ke8-e7 Rb3-d3 Ke7-e6 Kg5-g4 Ke6-e7 Rd3-d1 Ke7-e8 Rd1-e1 Ke8-e7 Re1-a1 Ke7-e6 Ra1-d1 Ke6-e7 Rd1-d3 Ke7-e6 Rd3-d6+ Ke6-e7 f4-f5 Qg2-b2 f5-f6+ Ke7-e8
51 08:16 761,125k 1,532k -1.25 Qa2-b1 Rf5-f6 Qb1-d1 Kh3-h4 Qd1-e1 Rf6-g6 Qe1-f2 Kh4-g4 Qf2-g2 Rg6-g7 Ke8-f8 Rg7-h7 Kf8-e8 Rh7-h5 Ke8-f7 Rh5-f5+ Kf7-e6 Rf5-f6+ Ke6-d7 Rf6-h6 Kd7-e8 Rh6-h8+ Ke8-f7 Rh8-h1 Kf7-f8 Rh1-e1 Qg2-d2 Re1-b1 Qd2-a2 Rb1-b6 Qa2-g2 Rb6-e6 Kf8-f7 Re6-f6+ Kf7-e7 Rf6-a6 Ke7-f7 Ra6-a7+ Kf7-e8 Ra7-h7 Qg2-c6 Rh7-h5 Qc6-g2 Rh5-h6 Ke8-f7 Rh6-d6 Kf7-e7 Rd6-d3 Qg2-g1 Rd3-d2 Ke7-f7 Kg4-f3 Qg1-b1 Rd2-d6 Qb1-b7+ Kf3-g4
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Re: Carlsen or Nepomniachtchi – Who will win?

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https://syzygy-tables.info/?fen=4k3/8/8 ... _b_-_-_0_1

Qb1 or Qc2 = draw according to syzygy tablebases
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Re: Carlsen or Nepomniachtchi – Who will win?

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Carlos777 wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:26 am https://syzygy-tables.info/?fen=4k3/8/8 ... _b_-_-_0_1

Qb1 or Qc2 = draw according to syzygy tablebases
Thanks for getting the 7 men tablebases, therefore, this game could have lasted up to more than 175 moves making the record harder to break in the future, since Carlsen was not going to accept the draw until GM Nepo demonstrated to him if he has chosen one of those two moves. But again the top 10 GM's are only super human players NOT engines with 7 men tablebases.

Even top engines without tablebases can draw this game

[Event "FIDE World Championship 2021"]
[Site "Dubai"]
[Date "2021.12.03"]
[Round "6.1"]
[White "Dragon-2.5-64bit-avx2"]
[Black "Dragon-2.5-64bit-avx2"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "3600"]
[ECO "D02"]
[Opening "Queen's Pawn"]
[Time "19:46:18"]
[Variation "3.g3"]
[WhiteElo "3600"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "498"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 e6 4. Bg2 Be7 5. O-O O-O 6. b3 c5 7. dxc5 Bxc5 8.
c4 dxc4 9. Qc2 Qe7 10. Nbd2 Nc6 11. Nxc4 b5 12. Nce5 Nb4 13. Qb2 $1 Bb7 14.
a3 Nc6 15. Nd3 Bb6 16. Bg5 Rfd8 17. Bxf6 gxf6 18. Rac1 Nd4 19. Nxd4 Bxd4
20. Qa2 $1 Bxg2 21. Kxg2 Qb7+ 22. Kg1 Qe4 23. Qc2 a5 24. Rfd1 Kg7 25. Rd2
Rac8 26. Qxc8 Rxc8 27. Rxc8 Qd5 28. b4 (28. e3 $5 Be5 29. b4 {$0 $11}) 28.
.. a4 29. e3 Be5 30. h4 h5 31. Kh2 Bb2 32. Rc5 {Much worse is} (32. Rxb2 $6
Qxd3 33. Ra2 Qb3 {$0 $11}) 32. .. Qd6 {[#]} (32. .. Qd7 {$0 $0 $142}) 33.
Rd1 {$2 Don't play} (33. Rxb2 $6 33. .. Qxd3 34. Ra2 (34. Rxh5 $2 Qxa3 35.
Rc2 Qxb4 {$0 $19}) 34. .. Qb3 {$0 $11}) (33. Rxh5 33. .. Qd7 34. Rxb2 Qxd3
{$0 $15}) (33. Rcc2 {$1 $16 is necessary to keep the advantage.} Bxa3 34.
Nf4 Qxb4 35. Rd8) 33. .. Bxa3 34. Rxb5 Qd7 {$0 $17} 35. Rc5 {Wrong is} (35.
Rxh5 $2 e5 36. e4 {[#]} Bxb4 {$1 $19}) 35. .. e5 {Better is} (35. .. Bxb4
{$1 $17} 36. Rcc1 (36. Rxh5 $2 a3 {$0 $19}) 36. .. Ba5) 36. Rc2 {[#]} (36.
e4 {$1 $15}) 36. .. Qd5 $2 (36. .. Bxb4 {$1 $17} 37. Rcc1 Ba3) 37. Rdd2 Qb3
38. Ra2 e4 39. Nc5 Qxb4 40. Nxe4 Qb3 41. Rac2 Bf8 42. Nc5 Qb5 43. Nd3 a3
44. Nf4 Qa5 45. Ra2 Bb4 46. Rd3 Kh6 47. Rd1 Qa4 48. Rda1 Bd6 49. Kg1 Qb3
50. Ne2 Qd3 51. Nd4 Kh7 52. Kh2 Qe4 (52. .. Kh6 {$0 $11}) 53. Rxa3 Qxh4+
{$1 Don't play} (53. .. Bxa3 54. Rxa3 Kh6 55. Ra6 {$0 $16}) 54. Kg1 Qe4 55.
Ra4 $1 Be5 56. Ne2 Qc2 (56. .. Qc6 {$0 $11 keeps the balance.}) 57. R1a2 $1
Qb3 58. Kg2 Qd5+ 59. f3 Qd1 60. f4 (60. Nf4 $5) 60. .. Bc7 61. Kf2 Bb6 62.
Ra1 (62. Rb4 $5 Qd5 63. Rab2 {$0 $14}) 62. .. Qb3 63. Re4 Kg7 64. Re8 f5
65. Raa8 Qb4 66. Rac8 Ba5 67. Rc1 Bb6 68. Re5 Qb3 {$1 Don't play} (68. ..
Qd2 69. Rb1 f6 70. Re7+ Kf8 71. Re6 {$0 $16}) 69. Re8 Qd5 70. Rcc8 Qh1 71.
Rc1 Qd5 72. Rb1 Ba7 (72. .. Bc7 {$0 $11}) 73. Re7 Bc5 74. Re5 Qd3 $1 75.
Rb7 Qc2 76. Rb5 Ba7 77. Ra5 (77. Rbd5 {$0 $14 should be considered.}) 77.
.. Bb6 78. Rab5 Ba7 {Resist} 79. Rxf5 Qd3 {[#]} 80. Rxf7+ $1 (80. Rg5+ Kf8
{$0 $11}) 80. .. Kxf7 81. Rb7+ Kg6 (81. .. Ke8 82. Rxa7 Qd1 {$0 $16}) 82.
Rxa7 Qd5 83. Ra6+ {Better is} (83. Nd4 {$0 $14}) 83. .. Kh7 84. Ra1 Kg6 85.
Nd4 Qb7 86. Ra2 Qh1 87. Ra6+ Kf7 88. Nf3 Qb1 89. Rd6 Kg7 90. Rd5 Qa2+ 91.
Rd2 Qb1 92. Re2 Qb6 93. Rc2 Qb1 94. Nd4 Qh1 95. Rc7+ Kf6 96. Rc6+ Kf7 97.
Nf3 Qb1 98. Ng5+ Kg7 99. Ne6+ Kf7 100. Nd4 Qh1 101. Rc7+ Kf6 102. Nf3 Qb1
103. Rd7 Qb2+ 104. Rd2 Qb1 105. Ng1 Qb4 106. Rd1 Qb3 107. Rd6+ Kg7 108. Rd4
Qb2+ 109. Ne2 Qb1 110. e4 Qh1 111. Rd7+ Kg8 112. Rd4 Qh2+ 113. Ke3 h4 114.
gxh4 Qh3+ 115. Kd2 Qxh4 116. Rd3 Kf8 117. Rf3 Qd8+ 118. Ke3 Qa5 119. Kf2
Qa7+ 120. Re3 Qd7 121. Ng3 Qd2+ 122. Kf3 $1 Qd1+ 123. Re2 Qb3+ 124. Kg2 Qb7
125. Rd2 Qb3 126. Rd5 Ke7 127. Re5+ Kf7 128. Rf5+ Ke8 129. e5 Qa2+ 130. Kh3
Qb1 131. Rf6 Qd1 132. Kh4 Qe1 133. Rg6 Kf7 134. Kh5 Qf2 135. Rf6+ Kg8 136.
Kg4 Qg1 137. Kh3 Qe3 138. Rf5 Kg7 139. Kh4 Qe1 140. Kg4 Qd1+ 141. Kh3 Qe1
142. Kh4 Kg8 143. Kh5 Kh7 144. Rg5 Qd1+ 145. Kh4 Qd2 146. Kg4 Qd1+ 147. Kh3
Qb3 148. Rf5 Qd5 149. Kh4 Qf3 150. Rf7+ Kg8 151. Rf6 Kh7 152. Rf5 Kg6 153.
Rg5+ Kf7 154. Rg4 Qd3 155. Nh5 Qc2 156. Rg7+ Ke6 157. Ng3 Qh2+ 158. Kg4 Qg1
159. Rg6+ Ke7 160. Rc6 Ke8 161. Rh6 Kf7 162. Rh7+ Kf8 163. Rh1 Qg2 164.
Rh8+ Ke7 165. Rh7+ Kf8 166. Rh1 Ke8 167. Re1 Qc2 168. Re2 Qd1 169. f5 Kf8
170. Kh4 Qd8+ 171. Kh3 Qg5 172. Re4 Ke8 173. Kg2 Qd8 174. Kf3 Kf7 175. Kg4
Qg8+ 176. Kf4 Qh8 177. Re1 Qd8 178. Kg4 Qg8+ 179. Kf3 Qh8 180. Kf4 Qh4+
181. Kf3 Qh8 182. Re2 Qd8 183. Ne4 Qd3+ 184. Re3 Qd1+ 185. Kg2 Qc1 186. Kf2
Ke7 187. Ng3 Qd1 188. Re4 Kf8 189. e6 Ke7 190. Kg2 Qd2+ 191. Kh3 Qh6+ 192.
Rh4 Qf6 193. Rh5 Ke8 194. Rh7 Qe5 195. Rd7 Qc3 196. Rd5 Ke7 197. Rd1 Ke8
198. Rd7 Qc5 199. Rg7 Qe3 200. Rc7 Qd4 201. Rc8+ Ke7 202. Rb8 Qf4 203. Rb7+
Ke8 204. Rb3 Qh6+ 205. Kg4 Qg7+ 206. Kf4 Qc7+ 207. Kf3 Qc4 208. Re3 Ke7
209. Re4 Qc3+ 210. Kf2 Qa5 211. Re2 Qc3 212. Kg2 Qd4 213. Rf2 Qh8 214. Kf3
Qe5 215. Re2 Qh8 216. Ra2 Qb8 217. Rd2 Qb3+ 218. Kg2 Qb4 219. Rd3 Qf4 220.
Rd7+ Ke8 221. Rd1 Qb4 222. Rf1 Ke7 223. Rf2 Qb8 224. Ra2 Qb7+ 225. Kh3 Qb8
226. Ra4 Qh8+ 227. Kg4 Qg7+ 228. Kf4 Qh6+ 229. Kf3 Qd2 230. f6+ Kxe6 231.
Rf4 Qd5+ 232. Kg4 Kf7 233. Kh3 Qb3 234. Kg2 Qa2+ 235. Kf3 Qb3+ 236. Kf2
Qc2+ 237. Kf3 Qd1+ 238. Kf2 Qd2+ 239. Ne2 Qb2 240. Kf3 Qb3+ 241. Kf2 Qb6+
242. Kg2 Qb7+ 243. Kg1 Qb1+ 244. Kf2 Qb2 245. Kf3 Qb3+ 246. Kf2 Qb6+ 247.
Kg2 Qb7+ 248. Kg1 Qb1+ 249. Kf2 Qb2 {3-fold repetition} 1/2-1/2
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Re: Carlsen or Nepomniachtchi – Who will win?

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jdart wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:02 pm Looks like Carlsen did what he is famous for: torture his opponent in the endgame until he cracks.
...And Nepo will be tired and depressed for today 7th game :(
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Re: Carlsen or Nepomniachtchi – Who will win?

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Chessqueen wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:04 am
I believe that GM Nepo worse move was 130.........Qe6? since 130.......Qb1 or Qc2 would have been better making the game last up to move 145 or longer
Only because his position had deteriorated so much by that point.

Nepo had several inaccuracies long before this which helped propel the game to this point. Magnus made some as well. But chess is a game of mistakes and Magnus is good at managing his risk all the while seeking to induce positions into his games in which his opponents might go wrong in.
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Re: Carlsen or Nepomniachtchi – Who will win?

Post by Jouni »

Sesse 200 cores show in 33. +3,93. Totally unnecessary this is 1 core SF:

Analysis by Stockfish 14.1:

...
33.Rcc2 Ba1 34.Nf4 Qa6 35.Nxh5+ Kh6 36.Nf4 Qb7 37.Rd8 f5 38.Rcd2 Qe4 39.Nh3 Bf6 40.Rc8 Qb7 41.Rdc2 Be5 42.Ng5 Kg7 43.R2c5 Qd7 44.Kg2 Bd6 45.R5c6 Be5 46.Nf3 Qd5 47.Rc5 Qb7 48.R5c6 Bb2 49.R8c7 Qa8 50.Ng5 Kg6 51.Nxf7 Bxa3
+- (3.57) Depth: 36/61 00:01:41 139mN, tb=8573

BTW which engine is used in CB live analysis? It shows 0,00. I mean engine You can start in CB live games. I guess non-NNUE.
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Re: Carlsen or Nepomniachtchi – Who will win?

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Jouni wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:51 am Sesse 200 cores show in 33. +3,93. Totally unnecessary this is 1 core SF:

Analysis by Stockfish 14.1:

...
33.Rcc2 Ba1 34.Nf4 Qa6 35.Nxh5+ Kh6 36.Nf4 Qb7 37.Rd8 f5 38.Rcd2 Qe4 39.Nh3 Bf6 40.Rc8 Qb7 41.Rdc2 Be5 42.Ng5 Kg7 43.R2c5 Qd7 44.Kg2 Bd6 45.R5c6 Be5 46.Nf3 Qd5 47.Rc5 Qb7 48.R5c6 Bb2 49.R8c7 Qa8 50.Ng5 Kg6 51.Nxf7 Bxa3
+- (3.57) Depth: 36/61 00:01:41 139mN, tb=8573

BTW which engine is used in CB live analysis? It shows 0,00. I mean engine You can start in CB live games. I guess non-NNUE.
I let Stockfish 14 play it out without the use of EGTB until the first move here it is, the correct drawing move and Komodo Dragon 2.5.1 chose 130....Qb1 !. The strange thing is that in the commentary GM Anand said that the e6 pawn move has to be stopped and Caruana as well

[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.12.04"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish_14_x64_bmi2"]
[Black "Stockfish_14_x64_bmi2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3640"]
[Time "06:03:20"]
[WhiteElo "3640"]
[TimeControl "60+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4k3/8/8/4PR2/5P2/6NK/q7/8 b - - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "3"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. ... Qb1 {(Qa2-b1 Rf5-f6 Qb1-d1 Kh3-h4 Qd1-e1 Rf6-g6 Qe1-f2 Kh4-g4 Qf2-g2
Rg6-g7 Ke8-f8 Rg7-d7 Qg2-c6 Rd7-d6 Qc6-g2 Rd6-d4 Kf8-e7 Rd4-c4 Qg2-g1 f4-f5
Qg1-d1+ Kg4-h4 Qd1-d3 Rc4-f4 Qd3-c3 Rf4-e4 Qc3-c1 Kh4-g4 Qc1-d1+ Kg4-h4)
-1.07/26 2} 2. Rf6 {(Rf5-f6 Qb1-d1 Kh3-h4 Qd1-e1 Rf6-g6 Qe1-f2 Kh4-g4
Qf2-g2 Rg6-e6+ Ke8-f8 Re6-f6+ Kf8-e8 Rf6-g6 Ke8-f7 Rg6-d6 Kf7-e7 Rd6-d4
Qg2-g1 Kg4-h3 Ke7-e8 Rd4-e4 Qg1-a1 Kh3-h4 Ke8-f8 f4-f5 Kf8-e7 Kh4-h5 Qa1-a8
Kh5-g5 Qa8-g8+ Kg5-f4 Qg8-h8 Kf4-g4 Qh8-g7+ Kg4-f3) +1.05/29 1} Qd1
{(Qb1-d1 Kh3-h4 Qd1-e1 Rf6-g6 Qe1-f2 Kh4-g4 Qf2-g2 Rg6-e6+ Ke8-f8 Re6-f6+
Kf8-e8 Rf6-g6 Ke8-f7 Rg6-d6 Kf7-e7 Rd6-d4 Qg2-g1 Kg4-h3 Qg1-e3 Rd4-e4
Qe3-c1 Kh3-h4 Qc1-d1 f4-f5 Qd1-a1 Kh4-g4 Qa1-c1 f5-f6+ Ke7-e6 Re4-f4
Qc1-d1+ Kg4-g5 Qd1-d5) -1.05/29 0} *
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Re: Carlsen or Nepomniachtchi – Who will win?

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[pgn]
[Event "FIDE World Championship 2021"]
[Site "Dubai"]
[Date "2021.12.04"]
[Round "7.1"]
[White "Nepomniachtchi, Ian"]
[Black "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C88"]
[WhiteElo "2782"]
[BlackElo "2855"]
[Annotator "ChessBase"]
[PlyCount "81"]
[EventDate "2021.11.25"]
[EventType "match"]
[EventCountry "UAE"]
[SourceTitle "playchess.com"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceQuality "1"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:900+30"]

1. e4 {0} e5 {8} 2. Nf3 {8} Nc6 {7} 3. Bb5 {5} a6 {7} 4. Ba4 {4} Nf6 {8} 5. O-O
{3} Be7 {14} 6. Re1 {7} b5 {8} 7. Bb3 {6 White until here White until here} O-O
{7} 8. a4 {2 is more profitable than 8.c3 at the moment.} Rb8 {9} 9. axb5 {16}
axb5 {7} 10. h3 {4} d6 {16} 11. d3 {9} h6 {182} 12. Nc3 {142} Re8 {762} 13. Nd5
{346} Bf8 {316 [#]} 14. Nxf6+ $146 {793} ({Predecessor:} 14. c3 Be6 15. Nh2
Bxd5 16. exd5 Ne7 17. Qf3 Ng6 18. Be3 Nh4 19. Qe2 Qc8 20. Ng4 Nxg4 21. hxg4 {
1-0 (62) Vachier Lagrave,M (2718)-Telecom Sud Paris Paris 2013}) 14... Qxf6 {28
} 15. c3 {39} Ne7 {1243} 16. Be3 {587} Be6 {360} 17. d4 {213} exd4 {539} 18.
cxd4 {422} Bxb3 {23} 19. Qxb3 {25} Ng6 {5} 20. Rec1 {1071} c5 {97} 21. e5 {463}
Qf5 {190} 22. dxc5 {108} dxc5 {4} 23. Bxc5 {8} Bxc5 {565} 24. Rxc5 {25} Nxe5 {3
} 25. Nxe5 {146} Rxe5 {3} 26. Rxe5 {5} Qxe5 {20} 27. Qc3 {3} Qxc3 {17} 28. bxc3
{4} Rc8 {7} 29. Ra5 {4} Rxc3 {8} 30. Rxb5 {4} Rc1+ {12} 31. Kh2 {4} Rc3 {8} 32.
h4 {7} g6 {6} 33. g3 {3} h5 {7} 34. Kg2 {3} Kg7 {6} 35. Ra5 {3} Kf6 $11 {10}
36. Rb5 {4} Kg7 {8} 37. Ra5 {2} Kf6 {6} 38. Rb5 {2} Kg7 {8} 39. Ra5 {3} Kf6 {6}
40. Ra6+ {0} Kg7 {0} 41. Ra7 {6} 1/2-1/2
[/pgn]
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Re: Carlsen or Nepomniachtchi – Who will win?

Post by AlexChess »

How is possible that Nepo is there??? :lol:

GM Fabiano Caruana (that's Italian, too :wink:) deserved to be THE challenger!

Even a club player would not play 21. ...b5 :oops:
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