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Jouni
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Full name: Jouni Uski
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by Jouni » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:00 pm
Hmm. Toga is too strong opponent for bright. Blitz games under Arena:
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1 TogaII 1.4 1½½1½111½11111½1½½1½ 16.0/20
2 Bright 0.3a 0½½0½000½00000½0½½0½ 4.0/20
Hmm. No single win to bright...
Jouni
Jouni
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by Jouni » Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:28 pm
Before somebody ask, 20 more games under Fritz:
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1 Toga II 1.4 1½01½½½11½110101½01½ 12.5/20
2 bright-0.3a 0½10½½½00½001010½10½ 7.5/20
bright prefers Fritz as node speed is 1000x faster than in Arena
But of course Toga is the best free!
Jouni
Allard Siemelink
Posts: 297 Joined: Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:30 pm
Location: Netherlands
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by Allard Siemelink » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:21 pm
Probably an unlucky run.
When I tested bright 0.3a against toga 3.1.2 SE, it scored ~50%.
Also, it did a lot better against toga in ccrl testing:
http://ccrlchess.org.uk/ccrl/404.live/c ... _0_3a_4CPU
Are you sure your setup is right? bright will by default use all your
cpu cores. If even one core is busy (e.g. pondering opponent or working some background task), bright's search will slow down to a crawl.
normals nps is ~1000k from opening and ~2000k for the endgame on a modern cpu.
btw, the reported nps under Arena is actually knps. The fritz gui probably calculates the nps itself from the number of reported nodes and time elapsed.
Jouni wrote: Hmm. Toga is too strong opponent for bright. Blitz games under Arena:
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1 TogaII 1.4 1½½1½111½11111½1½½1½ 16.0/20
2 Bright 0.3a 0½½0½000½00000½0½½0½ 4.0/20
Hmm. No single win to bright...
Jouni
Dr.Wael Deeb
Posts: 9773 Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:44 pm
Location: Amman,Jordan
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by Dr.Wael Deeb » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:14 pm
Jouni wrote: Hmm. Toga is too strong opponent for bright. Blitz games under Arena:
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1 TogaII 1.4 1½½1½111½11111½1½½1½ 16.0/20
2 Bright 0.3a 0½½0½000½00000½0½½0½ 4.0/20
Hmm. No single win to bright...
Jouni
Can't be,this gap is far too big,something is wrong here.....
Can you post the games please,what opening book did you use for Bright 0.3a
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
Jouni
Posts: 3816 Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:15 pm
Full name: Jouni Uski
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by Jouni » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:52 pm
I have prehistoric one(1) CPU machine. Some of the games:
[Event "Free"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.03.28"]
[Round "10"]
[White "TogaII"]
[Black "Bright"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B94"]
[Opening "Sicilian"]
[Time "13:55:19"]
[Variation "Najdorf, 6.Bg5"]
[TimeControl "60/300:60/300:60/300"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "108"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 g6 7.Qd2 Bg7 8.O-O-O h6
9.Bh4 Nc6 10.Bc4 Nxe4 11.Nxe4 Nxd4 12.Nf6+ exf6 13.Qxd4 O-O 14.Qxd6 Bf5 15.Rhe1 Rc8
16.Bb3 Qxd6 17.Rxd6 Rfe8 {-0.49/14 16} 18.Rxe8+ {+0.67/14 8} Rxe8 {-0.49/15 14} 19.Kd2
{+0.54/15 9} Be6 {-0.55/14 11} 20.Bg3 {+0.39/15 8} Bxb3 {-0.24/13 6} 21.axb3 {+0.62/15 5}
f5 {-0.38/14 7} 22.c3 {+0.53/16 9} h5 {-0.31/13 5} 23.Bf4 {+0.53/16 9} Re4
{-0.33/13 4} 24.g3 {+0.61/15 5} Be5 {-0.44/14 7} 25.Bxe5 {+0.40/15 5} Rxe5 {-0.44/16 7}
26.Rd7 {+0.42/16 5} b6 {-0.52/15 7} 27.b4 {+0.71/15 4} a5 {-0.60/15 7} 28.f4 {+0.95/16
6} Re8 {-0.89/15 5} 29.bxa5 {+1.17/15 5} bxa5 {-0.84/16 5} 30.c4 {+1.06/16 6} a4
{-0.84/15 4} 31.Kc3 {+1.15/16 6} Re3+ {-1.05/14 7} 32.Rd3 {+1.30/16 6} Re4 {-1.00/14 5}
33.Rd2 {+1.04/15 18} Kg7 {-1.22/15 7} 34.Rc2 {+1.45/14 6} f6 {-1.34/13 6} 35.c5
{+1.56/15 4} Kf7 {-1.62/15 7} 36.Kd3 {+1.55/15 6} Ke7 {-1.42/14 6} 37.Rc4 {+1.33/16 6} a3
{-1.42/15 4} 38.bxa3 {+1.49/16 6} Re1 {-1.23/15 5} 39.Rb4 {+1.43/16 6} Rh1 {-1.21/13 4}
40.Rb2 {+1.54/15 4} Ra1 {-1.37/13 5} 41.Rb3 {+1.49/16 6} g5 {-1.52/12 4} 42.fxg5
{+1.31/13 7} fxg5 {-1.12/13 7} 43.Kd4 {+1.25/14 6} Ra2 {-1.15/13 7} 44.h4 {+1.20/14 7} g4
{-1.08/13 6} 45.Ke5 {+1.48/14 5} Kd7 {-1.56/15 7} 46.Kxf5 {+2.08/16 4} Rc2 {-1.83/16 5}
47.a4 {+2.12/17 6} Rxc5+ {-2.05/16 4} 48.Kg6 {+2.33/19 6} Ra5 {-2.24/16 4} 49.Rb5
{+2.88/19 4} Rxa4 {-2.39/17 7} 50.Kxh5 {+2.92/19 7} Rc4 {-2.64/16 6} 51.Kg5 {+3.06/16 6}
Ke7 {-2.67/16 4} 52.h5 {+3.05/13 4} Kf7 {-3.09/17 7} 53.Rf5+ {+3.44/18 17} Kg7
{-3.29/18 6} 54.Rf4 {+3.59/19 6} Rc2 {-3.44/17 7} {1-0 Arena Adjudication} 1-0
[Event "Free"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.03.28"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Bright"]
[Black "TogaII"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B45"]
[Opening "Sicilian"]
[Time "14:04:37"]
[Variation "Taimanov, Four Knights, 6.Nxc6 bxc6 7.e5 Nd5 8.Ne4"]
[TimeControl "60/300:60/300:60/300"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "143"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 e6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Nf6 6.Nxc6 bxc6 7.e5 Nd5 8.Ne4 Bb7
9.Be2 c5 10.O-O Qc7 11.Nd6+ Bxd6 12.exd6 Qc6 13.f3 c4 14.Qd4 O-O 15.Bxc4 {+0.27/13
16} Qxd6 {-0.42/12 9} 16.Re1 {+0.34/12 27} Rfc8 {-0.15/13 6} 17.Bd3 {+0.38/11 7}
Ba6 {-0.24/14 10} 18.c4 {+0.39/12 8} Qb6 {+0.14/15 6} 19.Qxb6 {+0.20/13 3} Nxb6
{+0.13/16 8} 20.Be4 {+0.12/13 5} d5 {+0.16/17 8} 21.cxd5 {+0.16/14 3} f5 {+0.19/16 6}
22.Bb1 {+0.10/15 7} Nxd5 {+0.08/15 5} 23.g4 {+0.06/12 5} g6 {+0.03/14 6} 24.h4
{+0.03/12 7} Rab8 {+0.40/13 7} 25.h5 {+0.07/11 4} Kf7 {+0.29/12 7} 26.Kf2 {+0.07/10 7}
Rb4 {+0.39/12 6} 27.hxg6+ {0.00/11 11} hxg6 {+0.50/11 3} 28.a3 {0.00/11 7} Rd4
{+0.39/13 6} 29.Rh1 {-0.17/10 4} Kf6 {+0.40/12 4} 30.gxf5 {-0.03/10 3} gxf5 {+0.39/13 13}
31.Rh6+ {-0.14/11 7} Ke5 {+0.47/13 3} 32.Rh1 {-0.16/12 6} Bb5 {+0.48/13 7} 33.Bh6
{-0.21/11 5} Kd6 {+0.53/12 4} 34.b3 {-0.14/10 4} Nc3 {+0.53/12 5} 35.a4 {-0.14/10 4} Bc6
{+0.32/12 6} 36.Ke3 {-0.38/10 4} Rb4 {+0.59/12 6} 37.Bc2 {-0.59/10 6} Bd5 {+1.33/12 5}
38.a5 {-0.51/10 4} Bxb3 {+1.25/11 4} 39.Bd3 {-0.93/10 4} Bc4 {+1.44/12 6} 40.Rac1
{-0.98/10 7} Bxd3 {+1.47/13 7} 41.Kxd3 {-0.83/12 5} Rb3 {+1.25/14 7} 42.Kd2 {-0.94/12 7}
e5 {+1.50/13 4} 43.Rhe1 {-0.95/11 4} Rc7 {+1.53/13 6} 44.Re3 {-1.10/11 6} Rb2+
{+1.43/14 5} 45.Ke1 {-1.15/13 4} Nb5 {+1.57/14 4} 46.Rxc7 {-1.22/12 3} Nxc7 {+1.65/13 3}
47.Bg7 {-1.25/13 6} Rb1+ {+1.84/14 5} 48.Kd2 {-1.25/14 5} Rb5 {+1.82/15 6} 49.Bf8+
{-1.18/13 7} Kd7 {+1.70/15 6} 50.Rd3+ {-1.27/13 6} Nd5 {+1.92/14 5} 51.Ra3 {-1.16/13 3}
Rb8 {+1.92/14 9} 52.Bc5 {-1.17/13 3} a6 {+1.80/14 4} 53.Kd3 {-1.18/13 3} Kc6
{+1.93/15 4} 54.Bf2 {-1.38/14 7} Rb2 {+2.12/15 6} 55.Bg3 {-1.59/15 7} Kd6 {+2.13/15 4}
56.Ra1 {-1.60/15 6} Rb3+ {+1.95/14 4} 57.Ke2 {-1.58/14 5} Nc3+ {+2.01/14 6} 58.Kf1
{-1.61/15 6} f4 {+2.08/16 11} 59.Bf2 {-1.66/14 6} e4 {+2.12/17 7} 60.fxe4 {-1.71/11 1}
Nxe4 {+2.37/16 9} 61.Kg1 {-1.90/13 6} f3 {+2.39/15 8} 62.Rf1 {-2.13/13 6} Ra3
{+2.59/16 10} 63.Bb6 {-2.00/13 4} Ke5 {+2.58/17 10} 64.Kh2 {-2.27/14 6} Ra2+ {+2.58/17 8}
65.Kh3 {-2.02/15 6} Kf4 {+2.93/17 8} 66.Bc7+ {-2.71/14 4} Ke3 {+2.85/17 4} 67.Re1+
{-2.83/14 4} Re2 {+3.05/17 6} 68.Rf1 {-2.83/15 5} Nd2 {+3.69/16 6} 69.Bb6+ {-2.83/15 4}
Ke4 {+3.73/19 8} 70.Rd1 {-3.80/16 7} f2 {+3.98/14 5} 71.Bxf2 {-3.80/15 6} Rxf2
{+4.16/14 4} 72.Kg3 {-3.83/13 6} {0-1 Arena Adjudication} 0-1
[Event "Free"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.03.28"]
[Round "12"]
[White "TogaII"]
[Black "Bright"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E00"]
[Opening "Catalan"]
[Time "14:17:40"]
[Variation "3...Bb4+ 4.Nd2"]
[TimeControl "60/300:60/300:60/300"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "62"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1.d4 e6 2.c4 Nf6 3.g3 Bb4+ 4.Nd2 c5 5.dxc5 Bxc5 6.Bg2 Qb6 7.Nh3 O-O 8.O-O Be7
9.Nf4 d6 10.b3 Bd7 11.Bb2 Bc6 12.e4 Na6 13.Re1 Nc5 14.Bc3 {-0.11/12 10} Rfc8 {0.00/10
8} 15.Nd5 {-0.01/12 8} Qd8 {-0.09/12 19} 16.Qe2 {+0.02/13 8} e5 {0.00/10 7} 17.f4
{0.00/13 8} exf4 {0.00/9 5} 18.gxf4 {+0.07/12 8} Kh8 {0.00/10 5} 19.Kh1 {+0.32/13 8} Bd7
{-0.03/9 4} 20.Nxe7 {+0.62/13 7} Qxe7 {-0.24/12 5} 21.Bf3 {+0.76/13 6} Bc6 {0.00/10 5}
22.b4 {+1.17/14 9} Na4 {-0.46/12 8} 23.Bd4 {+1.20/14 7} a6 {-0.27/11 7} 24.Reg1
{+1.35/14 6} b6 {-0.46/10 5} 25.Qf2 {+1.75/13 6} Ne8 {-0.91/9 4} 26.f5 {+1.72/12 9} b5
{-0.97/11 9} 27.Rac1 {+1.58/11 5} Rab8 {-0.88/11 16} 28.Qe3 {+1.97/12 5} bxc4 {-0.92/9 5}
29.f6 {+3.72/11 9} Nxf6 {-4.00/11 4} 30.Rxg7 {+5.85/11 5} Rcg8 {-4.56/10 4} 31.Qg5
{+7.47/13 4} Rxg7 {-6.97/13 6} {1-0 Arena Adjudication} 1-0
[Event "Free"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.03.28"]
[Round "13"]
[White "Bright"]
[Black "TogaII"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E00"]
[Opening "Catalan"]
[Time "14:22:34"]
[Variation "4.Nf3 c5"]
[TimeControl "60/300:60/300:60/300"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "124"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1.c4 Nf6 2.g3 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.d4 c5 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.Bg2 Be7 7.O-O O-O 8.dxc5 Bxc5
9.Qc2 Bb6 10.Rd1 Qe7 11.Nc3 Nxc3 12.Qxc3 Bd7 13.Bf4 Rc8 14.Qd3 Bc6 15.Ng5 g6 16.Ne4
Bxe4 17.Qxe4 Nc6 18.Rd2 Rcd8 19.Rad1 Rxd2 20.Rxd2 Qc5 {+0.08/13 7} 21.Qf3 {+0.16/13
17} Qc1+ {0.00/13 12} 22.Bf1 {+0.22/14 15} Qe1 {0.00/14 8} 23.Kg2 {+0.35/14 13} Re8
{-0.16/13 5} 24.Rd7 {+0.27/13 10} Re7 {-0.52/14 7} 25.Bd2 {+0.92/12 7} Qd1 {-0.56/15 6}
26.Rd3 {+0.81/13 7} Qa4 {-0.70/14 10} 27.b3 {+1.00/13 5} Qb5 {-0.65/14 6} 28.Qf6
{+0.93/13 8} Qe5 {-0.51/14 4} 29.Bc3 {+1.01/14 7} Qxf6 {-0.52/16 5} 30.Bxf6 {+1.02/15 6}
Rc7 {-0.52/17 7} 31.e4 {+0.97/14 4} Bc5 {-0.48/15 7} 32.f4 {+0.93/14 9} Bf8
{-0.46/14 5} 33.Bb2 {+0.76/12 4} a6 {-0.38/14 6} 34.Rd2 {+1.08/12 4} Bg7 {-0.44/14 4}
35.e5 {+1.04/14 4} Bf8 {-0.50/14 5} 36.Kf3 {+0.96/13 6} Bb4 {-0.41/14 4} 37.Rd1
{+1.08/13 5} Be7 {-0.47/15 13} 38.a3 {+1.02/13 9} Na5 {-0.38/16 8} 39.b4 {+0.76/14 4} Rc2
{-0.42/16 6} 40.Bd4 {+0.98/14 8} Nc6 {-0.42/15 6} 41.Bf2 {+0.98/13 8} Ra2 {-0.48/14 9}
42.Rd3 {+1.01/13 7} g5 {-0.43/14 7} 43.Rc3 {+1.00/12 7} a5 {-0.10/14 9} 44.b5
{+1.34/13 8} g4+ {0.00/14 4} 45.Kg2 {+0.58/13 5} Nd4 {0.00/15 5} 46.Bd3 {+0.69/13 11} b6
{+0.04/13 4} 47.Bb1 {-0.09/12 8} Rb2 {+0.64/15 5} 48.a4 {-0.38/13 5} Bb4 {+1.21/16 7}
49.Rc1 {-1.65/13 3} Nb3 {+1.45/16 6} 50.Rc2 {-2.10/14 7} Rxb1 {+1.65/15 2} 51.Bxb6
{-2.05/14 4} Nd2 {+1.77/15 7} 52.Bd4 {-2.14/13 9} Nf3 {+1.91/16 5} 53.Bf2 {-2.46/14 6}
Kg7 {+2.02/16 8} 54.h3 {-2.76/13 6} Ne1+ {+2.17/16 8} 55.Bxe1 {-2.59/16 5} gxh3+
{+2.36/17 6} 56.Kxh3 {-2.71/16 5} Bxe1 {+2.38/18 8} 57.Re2 {-3.00/15 7} Bc3 {+2.41/18 5}
58.Kg2 {-3.11/15 6} Bd4 {+2.61/18 10} 59.Ra2 {-3.47/15 6} Kg6 {+2.78/15 6} 60.Kf3
{-3.55/14 3} Rb3+ {+3.05/16 12} 61.Kg4 {-3.57/15 3} h5+ {+3.48/18 7} 62.Kh3 {-3.81/16 3}
Rb4 {+3.55/18 6} {0-1 Arena Adjudication} 0-1
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.03.28"]
[Round "14"]
[White "TogaII"]
[Black "Bright"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D00"]
[Opening "Queen's Pawn"]
[Time "14:33:23"]
[Variation "Veresov, 3.Nf3"]
[TimeControl "60/300:60/300:60/300"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "119"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1.Nf3 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.d4 e6 4.Ne5 Bb4 5.Bg5 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 Qd6 7.Qc1 Ne4 8.Bf4 f6
{+0.21/11 10} 9.Nd3 {-0.26/14 9} Qc6 {+0.26/12 8} 10.Qb2 {-0.31/14 8} a5 {+0.27/12 28}
11.g3 {-0.47/13 8} Nxc3 {+0.38/11 4} 12.Bg2 {-0.35/13 8} Qc4 {+0.48/12 6} 13.Be3
{-0.34/14 8} Nc6 {+0.49/12 7} 14.Qb3 {-0.49/14 7} e5 {+0.46/12 6} 15.dxe5 {-0.43/13 7}
Nxe5 {+0.46/12 6} 16.Bf4 {-0.51/14 7} O-O {+0.32/10 3} 17.Bxe5 {-0.05/13 6} fxe5
{+0.32/12 3} 18.Qxc4 {+0.07/12 1} dxc4 {+0.38/14 6} 19.Nxe5 {0.00/13 5} Rd8 {+0.35/13 16}
20.a4 {+0.24/13 16} Ra6 {+0.23/12 5} 21.f4 {+0.15/13 4} Re6 {+0.15/12 5} 22.e3
{+0.35/13 6} b6 {+0.35/12 4} 23.Nxc4 {+0.40/13 5} Ba6 {+0.41/12 5} 24.Ne5 {+0.22/15 7}
Red6 {+0.34/11 3} 25.Bf3 {+0.41/15 5} Kf8 {+0.07/11 3} 26.h4 {+0.86/14 5} Kg8
{+0.06/11 3} 27.Rh2 {+0.81/14 3} g6 {-0.36/12 14} 28.g4 {+0.97/13 6} h6 {-0.43/11 3}
29.Rh3 {+0.97/13 6} Kg7 {-0.28/11 3} 30.h5 {+1.28/14 4} g5 {-0.44/11 3} 31.fxg5
{+1.25/14 4} hxg5 {-0.44/11 2} 32.h6+ {+1.24/14 4} Kf6 {-0.60/14 4} 33.h7 {+1.28/14 7}
Rh8 {-0.71/14 5} 34.Nc6 {+1.67/13 3} Kg7 {-0.63/13 5} 35.Ne7 {+1.38/13 3} Rd7
{-1.14/13 5} 36.Nf5+ {+1.24/13 3} Kf8 {-1.14/14 5} 37.Rh5 {+1.18/14 4} Bc4 {-0.27/12 2}
38.Rxg5 {+0.58/12 3} Rhxh7 {-0.39/12 4} 39.Rh5 {+0.42/13 7} Rxh5 {-0.43/12 4} 40.gxh5
{+0.30/13 1} Kf7 {-0.37/12 6} 41.e4 {+0.95/12 3} Kf6 {-0.48/12 2} 42.Ne3 {+0.74/14 5} Rd4
{-0.40/12 4} 43.Ra3 {+0.68/13 4} Nb1 {-0.34/12 3} 44.Nxc4 {+0.75/12 3} Rxc4 {-0.54/13 3}
45.Re3 {+1.05/12 3} Rxc2 {-1.31/12 5} 46.e5+ {+1.10/13 4} Ke7 {-1.11/13 3} 47.Kd1
{+1.07/14 14} Rh2 {-1.13/12 2} 48.Rd3 {+1.31/15 5} c5 {-1.33/13 4} 49.Bd5 {+1.42/15 4}
Rxh5 {-1.52/14 4} 50.Kc2 {+1.46/16 4} Rxe5 {-1.52/14 5} 51.Kxb1 {+1.48/14 1} Re2
{-1.53/14 3} 52.Bc6 {+1.57/16 5} Re6 {-1.53/15 5} 53.Bb5 {+1.56/16 3} Kf6 {-1.57/15 5}
54.Kb2 {+1.58/16 5} Ke5 {-1.59/14 3} 55.Re3+ {+2.46/19 4} Kf6 {-2.51/16 2} 56.Rxe6+
{+2.46/15 4} Kxe6 {-2.68/19 3} 57.Kc3 {+2.46/15 4} Kd5 {-3.36/20 6} 58.Bd3 {+42.26/20 9}
Ke5 {-9.56/20 3} 59.Kc4 {+43.86/23 5} Ke6 {-11.04/21 6} 60.Kb5 {+44.66/24 6} {1-0
Arena Adjudication} 1-0
Jouni