Spike is a great blitzer!! Rybka doesn't win?!

[Kirill Kryukov]

Just a small tourney to test arena, but very surprising as to the results I used little arena book for all.


1: GrapeFruit1beta 4.0/6 ·· =1 0= 11 9.50
2: Spike 1.2 4.0/6 =0 ·· 1= 11 8.50
3: Rybka 2.2 32 bit 3.0/6 1= 0= ·· 10 9.00
4: ProDeo 1.5 1.0/6 00 00 01 ·· 3.00

12 games played / Tournament is finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: OSIRIS, United States
Level: Blitz 5/0
Hardware: AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-60 with 2,944 MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Edition Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)

I don't think that you can make any conclusions based on the results you report. Will you also post a smiley based on a single game, if the stronger engine did not win it?

Yes in fact I watched most of the games and was very disappointed in the
opening book, however this was not a test of engines, so much as, a test of a so-called finished product (Arena 2.0)

If you want to test engines as a "finished product" you should use engines with their own opening books. If you want to understand how strong the engines are by themselves, you need to use a much shorter general book (limited to 7 or 8 moves per side, or at most 12). If you test "Arena 2.0" as a finished product, then reporting engine-engine results is irrelevant?

Best,
Kirill

[eriq]

ok, what part of this was just a quick trial of arena don't you understand??

What makes you think this was some serious attempt at showing off engines?? Also I do not judge engines by their results only, Spike played very well in many different kinds of positions and was a pleasure to watch.

If you would like a professional test of something then do it yourself, you have my vote for best tester

lastly, hint: this was done for my benefit not anyone else s, I was just kind enough to display the results and I am glad I did. I learned a lot

1. arena needs better book
2. arena is stable ( i hope also in linux via wine, my next test )
3. I need to find a good small book for arena or create one

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

ok, what part of this was just a quick trial of arena don't you understand??

What makes you think this was some serious attempt at showing off engines?? Also I do not judge engines by their results only, Spike played very well in many different kinds of positions and was a pleasure to watch.

If you would like a professional test of something then do it yourself, you have my vote for best tester

lastly, hint: this was done for my benefit not anyone else s, I was just kind enough to display the results and I am glad I did. I learned a lot

1. arena needs better book
2. arena is stable ( i hope also in linux via wine, my next test )
3. I need to find a good small book for arena or create one

Don't get offended Eriq,Kirill is a good guy
Now for your 3 notes:
1.Definitely,it doesn't have one yet,although there is a big advertisement going on for years now....
2.Yes,it's stable,but still has nasty bugs living in it....
3.What do you mean by small book
I can help you out in this manner....

[Marc Lacrosse]

1. arena needs better boo
(...)
1.Definitely,it doesn't have one yet,although there is a big advertisement going on for years now....

Arena book-making functions are ....
... completely undocumented
... very poor to say the least

Polyglot books are light-years ahead regarding tools, documentation and power !

There is only one possible conclusion : forget this abk books and do use polyglot books through polyglot under arena!

Marc

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

1. arena needs better boo
(...)
1.Definitely,it doesn't have one yet,although there is a big advertisement going on for years now....

Arena book-making functions are ....
... completely undocumented
... very poor to say the least

Polyglot books are light-years ahead regarding tools, documentation and power !

There is only one possible conclusion : forget this abk books and do use polyglot books through polyglot under arena!

Marc

I totaly agree Marc,but I lack the knowledge to make and use polyglot opening books under Arena....
A link to a good documentation easy to understand is much appreciated

[Kirill Kryukov]

ok, what part of this was just a quick trial of arena don't you understand??

What makes you think this was some serious attempt at showing off engines?? Also I do not judge engines by their results only, Spike played very well in many different kinds of positions and was a pleasure to watch.

If you would like a professional test of something then do it yourself, you have my vote for best tester

lastly, hint: this was done for my benefit not anyone else s, I was just kind enough to display the results and I am glad I did. I learned a lot

1. arena needs better book
2. arena is stable ( i hope also in linux via wine, my next test )
3. I need to find a good small book for arena or create one

Hi Eriq, sorry if I sounded negative. I just did not understand the point of the original post and I thought there was no reason to be surprised. Thanks for clarifying it for me.

I too believe that all test results are valuable.

Best,
Kirill

[Mike S.]

I need to find a good small book for arena or create one

The Balanced-14.abk has 219.639 moves, ~6 MB (zip: ~1 MB only):

http://remixshare.com/?file=t1uo6hcg1u

The predecessor Xmas2640.abk is even smaller (152.491 moves, ~ 4 MB) , but doesn't have as many variations as the Balanced-14. Maximal variation length is 14 full moves, for both. I think the (default) adjustments of the book settings I found for the Balanced-14, are a bit better. Both are meant for "same book for all" engine vs. engine tests.

http://members.aon.at/computerschach/li ... #downloads

(both include readme files with more info)

[pichy]

I need to find a good small book for arena or create one

The Balanced-14.abk has 219.639 moves, ~6 MB (zip: ~1 MB only):

http://remixshare.com/?file=t1uo6hcg1u

After testing for almost 3 weeks with different arena's openings, I found the Balanced-14.abk to be the best and most recent opening book for testing engine vs engine

Pichard

[eriq]

It's ok, I just got another book xmas2640 and will run event again.

I don't really take these things to seriously because of the total number of games is too low to come to any conclusion anyway.

[eriq]

I am replacing the new rebel w/ ruffian hopefully it will do better.

Wish I had more engines.