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NNUE chess engines and other applications in AI

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Any way to turn these nnue engines into investing in the stock market as a etf?
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I doubt whether the stockmarket depends very much on how the pieces are placed w.r.t. the king...
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I mean like nnue technology into ai for stock market
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But 'NNUE technology' is a technology to quickly calculate how much an evaluation changes when a single piece changes location amidst a lot of other pieces that all stay where they were. I don't see any problem in the stockmarket that is remotely similar to that. And even if you could find such a problem I don't see why it would be important in the stockmarket to do that a million times per second, which is what NNUE technolgy was designed for.

The only relation with computer chess seems to be that stockmarket and Stockfish both start with 'stock'...
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jmartus wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:10 pm Any way to turn these nnue engines into investing in the stock market as a etf?

Use of AI in investment is a very interesting area - but it's a very different skill to playing chess. To get you started, here are some articles - link. If you want to discuss the subject with fellow computer chess and AI fanatics (and why wouldn't you? :twisted: ), you won't be allowed to here, but you can find Ed Ed Schröder's ProDeo forum where OT discussions are welcome.
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towforce wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:12 pm
jmartus wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:10 pm Any way to turn these nnue engines into investing in the stock market as a etf?

Use of AI in investment is a very interesting area - but it's a very different skill to playing chess. To get you started, here are some articles - link. If you want to discuss the subject with fellow computer chess and AI fanatics (and why wouldn't you? :twisted: ), you won't be allowed to here, but you can find Ed Ed Schröder's ProDeo forum where OT discussions are welcome.
Use of AI in investment is equally efficient as use of AI in casino. ;)
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Then checkout qrft etf and tell me that again lol
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jmartus wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:30 pm Then checkout qrft etf and tell me that again lol
I have a bridge to sell you.
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Milos wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:53 pm
jmartus wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:30 pm Then checkout qrft etf and tell me that again lol
I have a bridge to sell you.

Creditable results, actually - link.
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towforce wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:39 pm
Milos wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:53 pm
jmartus wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:30 pm Then checkout qrft etf and tell me that again lol
I have a bridge to sell you.

Creditable results, actually - link.
You are joking right?
Since inception almost 2 years ago their best performing fund didn't outperform NASDAQ composite index even in a single point in time (why NASDAQ because their major stocks are obviously closely correlated to NASDAQ stocks). For example today they are +77% since inception date, while NASDAQ is +89% in the same period. Ofc they are comparing their performance to S&P500 which is particularly this year crap due to pandemic.
And they charge 0.75% fee.
As I said, it's for ppl that don't know much about investing that get impressed by the BS.
But that was not even my point. My point was that AI in title of their funds is most probably nothing but a click-bait, just to lure some naive.