Kayra 1.1

[Sopel]

Guether, you and Sopel should ask yourselves what Mehmet did wrong in this thread? Then nobody needs to try something new anymore. We just want to have fun and enjoy developing and testing. Unfortunately, you are also one of the biggest critics here. I don't know why we should still do anything at all.

I don't understand your point. I asked what additional features this engine has (and received no response yet), because it provides no actual when compared to Stockfish as it is now. What's the point of cloning Stockfish and just making it worse? What did he do wrong you want to know? I want to know what did he do right. There is nothing in this engine that's useful, considering the alternatives.

Btw. that test someone requested is on the way, 300+10 with uho book, partial result:

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Score of sf_20211227 vs kayra_1.1: 352 - 335 - 565  [0.507] 1252

[Eduard]

He wrote that he has changed something in the search. And that new things will be added later. We are testing now. Kayra 1.1 is pretty high in some Ratinglists. And Kayra is the most popular engine on Playchess currently.

But well, for you who test everything with Stockfish day after day, all that Kayra offers is not enough. For us testers, Kayra is still interesting and we have fun. Maybe because the Stockfish developers are only interested in Elo progress, the Kayra author is trying different things.

[Sopel]

Kayra 1.1 is pretty high in some Ratinglists.

LMAO what else do you expect from a stockfish clone

Maybe because the Stockfish developers are only interested in Elo progress, the Kayra author is trying different things.

And that's precisely what I want to know.... But there's nothing.... There's no "different things".

[AlexChess]

Guenter, maybe is your Grandma the donor...

I cannot read one more single comment from you or it's useless that I have put you in my ignore list.

Please, simply don't read/comment on my own topics like I have done with yours since months.

The only interesting part is when you reveal that you are not even an engine author, only one of the 1000 compilers (and by sure not a skilled one) but you judge others.

Then you are only able to create discord and offend people.

From FCP, here are the infos that have caused my error of kindly ask you where to find updated Nemorino 6.0.5 and since then you have reversed against me all your garbage, here and on Outskirts.



http://www.amateurschach.de/
Strange homonymy.

[mehmet123]

And that's precisely what I want to know.... But there's nothing.... There's no "different things".

I'm not counting the parameter changes, there are not too many parameter changes like Kayra 1.0 in Kayra 1.1 anyway. Is there any change in the search section? Are the codes in the search part %100 the same as Stockfish Dev?

[Sopel]

And that's precisely what I want to know.... But there's nothing.... There's no "different things".

I'm not counting the parameter changes, there are not too many parameter changes like Kayra 1.0 in Kayra 1.1 anyway. Is there any change in the search section? Are the codes in the search part %100 the same as Stockfish Dev?

Why would I care if there's no positive results from it? Changing working code just for the sake of it is not something I would consider a feature. As a user I don't care.

[AlexChess]

Guether, you and Sopel should ask yourselves what Mehmet did wrong in this thread? Then nobody needs to try something new anymore. We just want to have fun and enjoy developing and testing. Unfortunately, you are also one of the biggest critics here. I don't know why we should still do anything at all.

I don't understand your point. I asked what additional features this engine has (and received no response yet), because it provides no actual when compared to Stockfish as it is now. What's the point of cloning Stockfish and just making it worse? What did he do wrong you want to know? I want to know what did he do right. There is nothing in this engine that's useful, considering the alternatives.

Btw. that test someone requested is on the way, 300+10 with uho book, partial result:

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Score of sf_20211227 vs kayra_1.1: 352 - 335 - 565  [0.507] 1252

Which other features has Fat Titz? Exactly like Kayra, despite few changes it seems a very strong SF derivative. Most people is saying the same about it and I have always defended you because I like derivatives that are perfecty allowed by GPLv3 and MIT and offer a collaborative way to improve all the engines and Stockfish itself to skilled developers (not all derivatives are in TOP 10)

[mehmet123]

I've been working on the Kayra engine for only 1.5 months, mostly in a limited time. The negative effect of making more than a hundred lines code changes in the search part is the inability to adequately test which code changes are good and which code changes have a negative effect. I still hope to see Kayra in better places when I find and replace the codes that negatively affect the performance and add more powerful codes in the future.

According to some test results, the situation is not hopeless for Kayra.
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ayra-vs-sf
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ct-nn-cs-8

[Sopel]

Guether, you and Sopel should ask yourselves what Mehmet did wrong in this thread? Then nobody needs to try something new anymore. We just want to have fun and enjoy developing and testing. Unfortunately, you are also one of the biggest critics here. I don't know why we should still do anything at all.

I don't understand your point. I asked what additional features this engine has (and received no response yet), because it provides no actual when compared to Stockfish as it is now. What's the point of cloning Stockfish and just making it worse? What did he do wrong you want to know? I want to know what did he do right. There is nothing in this engine that's useful, considering the alternatives.

Btw. that test someone requested is on the way, 300+10 with uho book, partial result:

Code: Select all

Score of sf_20211227 vs kayra_1.1: 352 - 335 - 565  [0.507] 1252

Which other features has Fat Titz?

Anarchy mode, persistent TT, pure nnue eval, 64-bit hash keys, polyglot support

[Eduard]

Kayra 1.1 is pretty high in some Ratinglists.

LMAO what else do you expect from a stockfish clone

Maybe because the Stockfish developers are only interested in Elo progress, the Kayra author is trying different things.

And that's precisely what I want to know.... But there's nothing.... There's no "different things".

I regularly watch the development of Stockfish, including on Discord. I regularly test new networks and I enjoy it. It is good that Stockfish is being improved. So carry on as before.

The fact is that the opening books play the biggest role on the servers. If my book is good, I can get great results with the Cfish January 2021 too.

I tested that. I keep changing engines. Sometimes Engine X plays 100 games and then Engine Y. Despite the same result, sometimes I see that the gameplay is different. There are many variants in which all engines follow the same plan. You can see the differences in closed positions. By and large, however, the clones play like Stockfish.

Every now and then I have seen puzzling loss moves, the Stockfish clone Zeus made the biggest mistakes. I don't know this engine, but I've played against it many times on the server. I really don't know what people like about this clone? The same goes now for Raubfisch. When the Raubfisch author himself played on PlayChess, someone wrote to him in the chat "I'm only playing a draw with your engine". Something has to be right when someone writes something like this.

I am happy that the Kayra author is so open and shares everything with others. Otherwise I wouldn't test Kayra anymore. One cannot debate the authors of Raubfisch and Zeus. Because they want to remain anonymous (because they have to) and are only looking for their own honor.