Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

[Uri Blass]

Bullet peak rating of FIDE Top 10 in in Chess.com

Ding Liren
3112

Wesley So
3206

Anish Giri
3206

Ian Nepomniattchi
3168

Fabiano Caruana
3112

Firouzja Alireja
3521

Hans Niemann
3227

One could say that based on Bullet alone, his performance seems to be even higher than many of the current top 10 players. Ofcourse, that cannot be compared with classical games but it does atleast make a case that Niemann has capability of playing over 2650.
There are few exceptions like Andrew Tang, who is thin, fit and agile hence able to play faster despite being rated sub 2550 in FIDE but the exception is not the rule.

Seriously, I do not think FIDE rates Bullet games.
Also:

Firouzja Alireja
3521

Sounds suspect...even 'peak' which is not a stable thing.

I guess he meant peak bullet chess.com rating of the players that are top 10 in the fide list

[Uri Blass]

Bullet peak rating of FIDE Top 10 in in Chess.com

Ding Liren
3112

Wesley So
3206

Anish Giri
3206

Ian Nepomniattchi
3168

Fabiano Caruana
3112

Firouzja Alireja
3521

Hans Niemann
3227

One could say that based on Bullet alone, his performance seems to be even higher than many of the current top 10 players. Ofcourse, that cannot be compared with classical games but it does atleast make a case that Niemann has capability of playing over 2650.
There are few exceptions like Andrew Tang, who is thin, fit and agile hence able to play faster despite being rated sub 2550 in FIDE but the exception is not the rule.

It is possible to cheat also in bullet not by using an engine to inflate your rating so I am not sure if peak rating means something.

I read in the past about one cheater who simply had 2 accounts and in order to inflate his rating played against himself.

[Alexander Schmidt]

I would think that mouse movement can be easily made to move like a human.

I think that writing a software to move the mouse like a human including premoves is a lot of work and nobody is going to do it for cheaters.
There is not enough money in chess for it.

Self playing programs get detected because a lot of people use it. If you do something on your own, it is likely to be not detected. But actually you don't even need a self playing program, just something that observes your game window and gives out a multi pv. For a good player it should be enough to get hints from time to time. I guess the software for this exists, and can't get detected if it is running on a 2nd computer.

But we get on the way for an instruction how to cheat. I'd like to stop that here. There are many ways to cheat, even in bullet games.

[swami]

Bullet peak rating of FIDE Top 10 in in Chess.com

Ding Liren
3112

Wesley So
3206

Anish Giri
3206

Ian Nepomniattchi
3168

Fabiano Caruana
3112

Firouzja Alireja
3521

Hans Niemann
3227

One could say that based on Bullet alone, his performance seems to be even higher than many of the current top 10 players. Ofcourse, that cannot be compared with classical games but it does atleast make a case that Niemann has capability of playing over 2650.
There are few exceptions like Andrew Tang, who is thin, fit and agile hence able to play faster despite being rated sub 2550 in FIDE but the exception is not the rule.

It is possible to cheat also in bullet not by using an engine to inflate your rating so I am not sure if peak rating means something.

I read in the past about one cheater who simply had 2 accounts and in order to inflate his rating played against himself.

That kind of cheating will most likely be flagged by Chess.com. Niemann doesn't have games of having played against himself through another account in his game history which is public record in chess.com.

He was telecasting his own games LIVE in Twitch while playing similarly strong players, that was when he became popular in Twitch.

[supersharp77]

The Now Infamous........ "Anonymous Grandmaster Cheat List":

Hans Niemann 2022 Cheat Report Chess.com

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11IokKg ... wl0ag/view

"This performance, which, as mentioned, Hans confirmed was
attained via cheating, was within the range of Strength Scores obtained from Chess.com reports of various
GMs and their games at the time of their closure on Chess.com, as seen in Table 2 below. All these
players, including Hans, admitted to cheating."

"Table 2
User FIDE Elo Strength Score
Anonymous Confessed GM 2640 103.27
Anonymous Confessed GM 2511 98.05
Anonymous Confessed GM 2543 95.421
Anonymous Confessed GM 2686 94.69
Anonymous Confessed GM 2656 94.64
Anonymous Confessed GM 2530 93.14
Hans Report – 10
User FIDE Elo Strength Score
Anonymous Confessed GM 2406 93.14
Anonymous Confessed GM 2685 92.81
Anonymous Confessed GM 2651 92.19
Anonymous Confessed GM 2591 92.06
Anonymous Confessed GM 2523 91.17
Anonymous Confessed GM 2580 90.58
Anonymous Confessed GM 2646 89.53
Anonymous Confessed GM 2548 88.05
Anonymous Confessed GM 2451 86.28
Anonymous Confessed GM 2616 85.58
Hans Niemann (2020) 2465 85.50
Anonymous Confessed GM 2602 84.69
Anonymous Confessed GM 2504 83.59
Anonymous Confessed GM 2508 81.06
Anonymous Confessed GM 2523 78.48
Anonymous Confessed GM 2651 78.27
Anonymous Confessed GM 2508 77.38
Anonymous Confessed GM 2552 77.11
Anonymous Confessed GM 2551 69.91 "

[CornfedForever]

The Now Infamous........ "Anonymous Grandmaster Cheat List":

I guess if any obsessive person really wanted to, they could search thru the FIDE list and whittle down whom these might be by finding exact rating matches at some point in the past few years. I am sure someone out there will have the time and inclination.

[M ANSARI]

Of course you can also cheat in bullet chess and there are programs just for that. If you watch the interview with the founder of Lichess, he says it is a continuous war between the creators of cheating software and Lichess trying to keep up with new software and banning players that use them. With Lichess I think it is more difficult to control as it is free to join. With Chess.com you have to pay ... so each time you get banned you have to pay again for a new account. Of course it is possible to have your own private software that only you have .... but you really need to be motivated to go that far.

[Graham Banks]

I honestly can't understand what satisfaction one gains from cheating.

[AdminX]

I honestly can't understand what satisfaction one gains from cheating.

But he was young you say ... But It only happened twice you say and he has admitted it ...

[Graham Banks]

I honestly can't understand what satisfaction one gains from cheating.

But he was young you say ... But It only happened twice you say and he has admitted it ...

Just a general statement about cheating itself.