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THIS Is Recent Breaking News........From Of All Places..."THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" 8-)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chess-chea ... 1664911524

https://www.chessdom.com/the-wall-stree ... mann-case/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VptbNKbHQiM Nakamura


"Chess Investigation Finds That U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times
An internal report reviewed by The Wall Street Journal alleges a previously unknown pattern of likely widespread cheating by Hans Moke Niemann, the player whose September victory over Magnus Carlsen has rocked the chess world"....
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supersharp77 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:53 pm THIS Is Recent Breaking News........From Of All Places..."THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" 8-)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chess-chea ... 1664911524

https://www.chessdom.com/the-wall-stree ... mann-case/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VptbNKbHQiM Nakamura


"Chess Investigation Finds That U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times
An internal report reviewed by The Wall Street Journal alleges a previously unknown pattern of likely widespread cheating by Hans Moke Niemann, the player whose September victory over Magnus Carlsen has rocked the chess world"....
Chess.com also says their analysis cannot be said to extend to his classical 'OTB' games...so there appears to be nothing beyond what has already been out in the wild concerning OTB.

Unrelated, the WSJ says, "The report also addresses the relationship during the saga between Carlsen and Chess.com, which is buying Carlsen’s “Play Magnus” app for nearly $83 million"

Actually, they would never pay that much for the app. It's for everything in the Play Magnus Group if I am not mistaken.
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Yahoo.com Sports On The WSJ Article Reports:

https://sports.yahoo.com/chesss-largest ... 07511.html


From the WSJ:

“We are prepared to present strong statistical evidence that confirm each of those cases above, as well as clear ‘toggling’ vs ‘non-toggling’ evidence, where you perform much better while toggling to a different screen during your moves,” Rensch wrote.".......
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We understand that the timing of our email, and Hans’ publicizing of it, may have led a number of people
in the chess community to believe that Chess.com “knew” Hans was cheating over the board, or was under
pressure from Magnus, or had some new evidence indicating that Hans was cheating over the board. The
much less interesting truth is that none of this is true. While there are many remarkable signals and unusual
patterns in Hans’ path as a player, and while some games, behaviors, and actions are hard to understand,
Chess.com is unaware of any concrete evidence proving that Hans is cheating over the board or has ever cheated over the board. Chess.com has historically not been involved in OTB or classical chess fair play
decisions, as we do not run OTB or classical chess events.
Our investigation has revealed that while there has been some noteworthy online play that has caught our
attention as suspicious since August 2020, we are unaware of any evidence that Hans has engaged in
online cheating since then. Our investigation has concluded that he did, however, cheat much more than
he has publicly admitted to, including in many prize events, at least 25 streamed games, and 100+ rated
games on Chess.com, as recently as when he was 17 years old.
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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I'm only on page 17 but this has caught my attention in the section: 'Games played sine 2020 against players rated 2500+ consisting of at least 20 analyzed moves"

In conclusion, while we cannot definitively prove that Hans’ rise in strength is entirely “natural,” we have

also found no indications in the game data to suggest otherwise. While some have suggested that a move-
by-move analysis by humans may surface some oddities in move choice or analysis, there is nothing in

our statistical investigation to raise any red flags regarding Hans’ OTB play and rise.


Just thought that was interesting...but who knows what future pages hold!
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Chess.com is just out there to make money. They couldn't care about OTB chess as that doesn't affect them financially ... so no need to stick out their necks. FIDE considers any cheating that is not 99.998% certain as non cheating. That is higher proof than is required to convict someone for murder. If so then Chess is dead. Here nobody is dying and so the astronomical requirement to prevent someone from participating in a tournament is beyond ridiculous. If someone has a history of being a serial cheater, then this ridiculous requirement has to go. Cheaters should be put in another group and if any red flags show up then they should not be allowed to play OTB. Remember that with Ivanov everyone also was claiming they needed 100% proof. As far as I remember ... Ivanov was never convicted of cheating and never had to return one single $ he earned. He just refused to remove his shoes because they were smelly and was forfeited. After that he just "retired" from chess. There was never any incriminating electronic device caught on him but it is now widely viewed that he cheated with some sort of electronic device on his body and later on inside his shoes.
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M ANSARI wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:28 am Chess.com is just out there to make money. They couldn't care about OTB chess as that doesn't affect them financially ... so no need to stick out their necks. FIDE considers any cheating that is not 99.998% certain as non cheating. That is higher proof than is required to convict someone for murder. If so then Chess is dead. Here nobody is dying and so the astronomical requirement to prevent someone from participating in a tournament is beyond ridiculous. If someone has a history of being a serial cheater, then this ridiculous requirement has to go. Cheaters should be put in another group and if any red flags show up then they should not be allowed to play OTB. Remember that with Ivanov everyone also was claiming they needed 100% proof. As far as I remember ... Ivanov was never convicted of cheating and never had to return one single $ he earned. He just refused to remove his shoes because they were smelly and was forfeited. After that he just "retired" from chess. There was never any incriminating electronic device caught on him but it is now widely viewed that he cheated with some sort of electronic device on his body and later on inside his shoes.
these criminals are not so easy to enlighten...in 2017 he got caught by the police for "cheating" with driver licenses !

In March 2017, Ivanov was arrested in Kyustendil due to allegedly masterminding a group engaged in forging driver's licenses and selling them on the Internet. The authorities were alerted to the scam by presenters from the comedy TV show Gospodari Na Efira.
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BREAKING NEWS TODAY :Hikaru Nakamura https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnTLeaALCRc


Gotham Chess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPmk-WuBNis



Magnus Carlsen vs Hans Niemann Cheat Scandal Goes "Global Viral"....DailyMail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nline.html


Magnus Carlsen "Figures Out Hans Niemann" by Playing A Few Casual "Beach Chess Games".."Book It" "No Doubts" :) 8-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg2uTrMMHsU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pYb9V_LlTA