SCCT - Ponder OFF/ON (Final Standings)

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hello Chess Friends,


The both tournaments with 'Ponder OFF/ON' are already completed and for a better conclusion is needed more games...
But anyway it seems the pondering on/off did not make a big difference in the the standings comparing between each other with 'Ponder ON and OFF'

And as i expected the Winner of the both tourneys is Deep Rybka 4,just only Stockfish 1.8 (with ponder off) surprised me,
but with a big possibility it needs more games to be played for ranking at second place

For Final Standings:
http://sedatchess.110mb.com/index.php?p=1_66


Best Wishes,
Sedat Canbaz

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Sedat,

I can see the conditions but not the table with the final results.
Checked with Opera 10.61 and Internet Explorer 8.

Perhaps you are working on this detail page?

Best
Frank

PS: I downloaded the games, so I can look in ChessBase 10
THANKS !!

Interesting results after 100 games. Naum 4.2 without ponder better as Stockfish 1.8.0 (can be random). Bad results for Shredder with 4 Cores I think (with and without ponder). Very interesting. All other results are very clear, also after 100 games only.

Nice tournament !!

Without Ponder database:
Zappa won vs. Shredder after 21 moves. Interesting game.
Also very nice fast game by Protector 1.3.6 vs. Stockfish 1.8.0 1:0 (30 moves). Will be analyse in the evening.

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hello Frank,

Thanks for your interest...

I have no problems to see the standings using Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox

Can you try again please ?

Best,
Sedat

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Sedat,

now I can see the tables on your detail page (ponder on / off)
All is perfect ...

THANKS!

Best
Frank

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hello Frank,

I have checked the game between Zappa and Shredder too,yes...very short win and well played by Zappa Mexico,as we see the game is B97 opening-very critical opening for both sides,everything can happen with a such openings

And its interesting to note (in Perfect 2010 book),normally in the beginning of B97 position,almost all engines show approx. - 0.50 and more disadvantage,but furthermore,in the middle/end of the games the score values are changing dramatically

And it seems these conditions for Hiarcs 13.1 T4 and Deep Shredder 12 x64 T4 did not suit well,e.g the both engines have much better ranking at slow time controls with ponder on:
http://sedatchess.110mb.com/index.php?p=1_62

Btw,another interesting note that Deep Shredder 12 is the only engine which has same points (48/100) in both tournaments

Greetings,
Sedat

[Sedat Canbaz]

And here is the standing including both tournaments

SCCT-Ponder OFF/ON

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Rank  Engine                     Score     
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01: Deep Rybka 4 x64 T4        155.0 / 200   
02: Naum 4.2 x64 T4            125.0 / 200   
03: Stockfish 1.8 JA x64 T4    125.0 / 200  
04: Critter 0.80 x64 T4        105.0 / 200   
05: Deep Fritz 12 T4            99.0 / 200   
06: Deep Shredder 12 x64 T4     96.0 / 200  
07: Zappa Mexico II x64 T4      94.5 / 200   
08: Spark 0.4 x64 T4            83.5 / 200  
09: Hiarcs 13.1 T4              80.0 / 200  
10: Protector 1.3.6 JA x64 T4   70.0 / 200   
11: Deep Onno-1-2-70 x64 T4     67.0 / 200   
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1100 games: +377 =446 -277
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Best,
Sedat

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Sedat,

yes, in the past, with my older ATL-4 tournament I plays for around 4-5 years, I do the same. On one machine I plays with ponder and on one machine without ponder. I mixed the result to one ELOtable. This is OK I think.

Really nice games the engines played. I replay much of the games in the afternoon. I think the programmers will be happy to have that.

OK, different of them aren't looking in the games, only in the statistics.

My interest goes to the fast games. I like fast tactical king attacks and collect such games since years

Best
Frank

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hello Frank,

Yes...normally we can not use the blitz games for a serious analysis,but sometimes the fast games give us fun and its interesting to watch them,at least we don't need to wait long time about what kind of move will play the engine

Btw,for example in my SCCT (10min) i always test single processor engines with ponder on/ off
•Pondering is enabled only when:Single-Processor against Single-Processor Engine
•Single-Processor Engines play against MP engines with ponder off
http://sedatchess.110mb.com/index.php?p=1_58


Best Regards,
Sedat