Reasons of the crisis...

[rhollay]

Uri,

My question was how releasing of Fruit 2.0 impacted the progress of Movei.
I have a high respect of every original engine, including Movei.
Just wanted to know if releasing of Fruit 2.0 as open source engine had a
positive impact on development of Movei, or not.
(I think that borrowing ideas from other engines does not help on finding
original ideas).

[Marc Lacrosse]

i do not think computerchess is in a crisis.

Nor do I (and that is not what I posted).

My post concerned CCC crisis, not computerchess as a whole.

There are now other places where computer chess discussions are more lively and content-rich than the mean ones in our general forum. This was not the case a few years ago.

So I don't see your point here.

Marc

[Uri Blass]

I took ideas already from fruit1.0 in movei00_8_295

I took also later some ideas from glaurung and toga but I also tried original ideas.

Uri

[mschribr]

I totally agree with Marc Lacrosse. Computer chess is not in crises but talkchess is becoming a disaster. I think years ago an interesting topic would be who is stronger the world champion or a computer. Or who is better a deep blue or a PC? Today this would get immediately removed by the moderators as being controversial and flaming. Yet this topic debated civilly is an interesting and valid part of computer chess. I don’t see bob hyatt here that much any more. I disagreed with his opinions. But his posts were interesting and informative. It seems the moderators do not understand the difference between passionate debating and personal insults. I hoped we could get some new blood in the moderator pool. It seems the banality of talkchess will not change.
Mark

[mclane]

its a normal procedure, kind of globalisation.
today anybody has his own forum.
the forums specialize. one forum for the dedicated guys. one for the winboard guys. one forum for the rybka guys. one forum for the hiarcs guys. one for group x and one for group y.
of course in earlier years this was different. there we were happy to have RGCC or berthold seifriz forum (Gambit-soft).

I think years ago an interesting topic would be who is stronger the world champion or a computer. Or who is better a deep blue or a PC? Today this would get immediately removed by the moderators as being controversial and flaming.

?
why should such a topic beeing removed ??
IF something is removed than it is insults coming from a poster who has his emotions not under control. but the topic itself is not removed.

Yet this topic debated civilly is an interesting and valid part of computer chess. I don’t see bob hyatt here that much any more. I disagreed with his opinions. But his posts were interesting and informative. It seems the moderators do not understand the difference between passionate debating and personal insults.

i see bob hyatt posting in the programmers sub-forum.
you can believe me the moderators DO know the difference .

I hoped we could get some new blood in the moderator pool. It seems the banality of talkchess will not change.

the banality comes IMO from the people posting. not from the moderators.
if the mass would have thought it is a good idea to exchange the moderators, why did the mass not vote for different people ?

e.g. you . you could nominate yourself if you think you would do better and then you could change anything.
did you do ?

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[swami]

Sorry Marc,Posting one witty and sensible one or two liners are acceptable and many forum has this. You can't just criticise others for writing non troll one or two lines,I think you are exaggerating too much, I have posted more than 2 lines most of the time.

I wanted to say in a polite way,If you don't like it, Don't read it,It's simple. Anyone can write any number of lines as long as they do not troll and talk about what is going on in a thread.

While I respect you Marc, I think it's just unfair to ask others to stop writing posts(short messages or otherwise)
There are a lot of members who write one or two lines posts and not only me,and I also see a liot of short messages in Rybka forum. And winboard forum contain posts length average lesser than CCC.

And another thing,Marc,is that a lot of member have less time to write lengthy post and they should not be biased for writing perfectly acceptable short messages.

Regards.

[Volker Pittlik]

.... And winboard forum contain posts length average lesser than CCC....

a) I doubt that (1*)
b) if so it has nothing to do with Marc's post
c) I totally agree with Marc
d) this thread confirms him

vp

(1*) I delete posts with more than 25% smilies and signatures longer than the "content"

[Marc Lacrosse]

If you don't like it, Don't read it,It's simple.

It's not just that simple.

When I open the subforum (be it in flat or thread view) I just see that some thread has new message(s) due to the fact that there is an orange icon. I have no way to guess that the newly added messages are just made of a few smileys or equivalent contents. So I have to open it/them to see.

From my completely subjective point-of-view the proportion of completely uninteresting threads I have to open before I find something really interesting is dropping at a fast pace both in the tournament forum and really dramatically in the general forum (this is not at all the case in the programming forum).

And if this evolution is fine to you so be it : this is in no way an absolute evaluation : just my personal feeling.

And there are still some gems of informative posts like Ansari's recent ones on cheap quads.

But the proportion of such posts is decreasing.

And for my ears when there is too much noise in the room the fun of searching for some good tunes slips away...

As we say in french : the good writer is identified through the number of insignificant words that he did not write.

I understand that this is not the general trend here nowadays. You are elected at CTF and are one of the most prolific contributors here so I suppose that the forum will continue in the same direction.

... but I have already been too long for such an uninformative contribution.

So don't worry : as I post a smaller number of posts in six months than you do in an average week you won't hear me crying too loudly.

Regards

Marc

[swami]

It's not just that simple.

When I open the subforum (be it in flat or thread view) I just see that some thread has new message(s) due to the fact that there is an orange icon. I have no way to guess that the newly added messages are just made of a few smileys or equivalent contents. So I have to open it/them to see.

Actually,It's very simple. If you login and then log off and login once more ,you wouldn't see the orange icons.

What's the difference?You see the no new posts blue icon or orange icon?You just click on what is interesting thread to you and stop caring about those who post short messages,instead of whining at them for they didn't even raise their voice.

I understand that this is not the general trend here nowadays. You are elected at CTF and are one of the most prolific contributors here so I suppose that the forum will continue in the same direction.

... but I have already been too long for such an uninformative contribution.

So don't worry : as I post a smaller number of posts in six months than you do in an average week you won't hear me crying too loudly.

Regards

Marc

Marc, I didn't accuse you of "crying too loudly". Comparison about how many posts we make is irrelevant.If the CCC moderators did the good job and you call that a crisis, I wonder why they were elected again?someone would have stopped the so called crisis.

By the way,There's no need to rudely say "Tournament matches forum is not worth visiting" as it shows who overreact.

[Tony Thomas]

.... And winboard forum contain posts length average lesser than CCC....

a) I doubt that (1*)
b) if so it has nothing to do with Marc's post
c) I totally agree with Marc
d) this thread confirms him

vp

(1*) I delete posts with more than 25% smilies and signatures longer than the "content"

Volker, it is true that there are some post at winboard forum that is shorter than the posts here. It has something to do with Marc's posts, because it is an example of one of the best forums with short threads. I do not think the posts length has anything to do with its quality. Some people have problem with being concise, it shouldnt be considered anyones fault.