Rajlich/Osipov/Rybka/Strelka/Answers by Convekta

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Re: Rajlich/Osipov/Rybka/Strelka/Answers by Convekta

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Rolf wrote:If Osipov had created his own engine what Zakharov wants to insinuate (after all the information we have now!) then why should he have contacted Vas at all?
'Cause it's Rybka GUI, smartguy. Very-very hard to guess it for an law-expert as you.
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Rolf wrote:So, the evil is, that Zakharov isnt interested in the least what the cloned stuff of Vas' Rybka is concerned as long as CONVEKTA can sell something... He doesnt even notice that he's talking about illegal practices from O right from the beginning because this isnt Osipov's engine at all, it's Vas' engine. This is all what Vas has told us before and where he told us the complete truth. It's beyond me where Vas should have lied or hidden something.
Why, why our beloved Vas went to these evil Russians and let them sell his Rybka?! Why?!?!?!
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GenoM wrote:
Rolf wrote:So, the evil is, that Zakharov isnt interested in the least what the cloned stuff of Vas' Rybka is concerned as long as CONVEKTA can sell something... He doesnt even notice that he's talking about illegal practices from O right from the beginning because this isnt Osipov's engine at all, it's Vas' engine. This is all what Vas has told us before and where he told us the complete truth. It's beyond me where Vas should have lied or hidden something.
Why, why our beloved Vas went to these evil Russians and let them sell his Rybka?! Why?!?!?!
Err, perhaps because they pay better?
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SzG wrote:Quote (1) - question by Diosi
"In the last month the engines Strelka and Belka were
AZ> released and advertised here: and
AZ> here . A
AZ> few days later those engines were discovered to contain
AZ> substantially code parts from Rybka 1.0.".

Good start. :) No code parts from Rybka could be discovered in these engines as no code parts of Rybka have been published.
1)Rybka 1.0 executable has been publiced.
2)2 years later Strelka was publiced its executable.
3)Uri and C.Conkie and others have reported MILLIONS of positions where the behavior of Strelka is IDENTICAL with that of Rybka.
4)Strelka's code is publiced.
5)Vas says Strelka has many identical parts of Rybka's 1.0 code.

If someone needs more evidence from the above to believe Strelka is genuine, then it is his problem.
But don't pretend that because you don't see the back side of the moon, it does not exist.


And anyway which is more logical considering the 1)2)3)4) facts i gave:
•Vas is lying about Strelka having many parts of code identical to Rybka?
•Vas is correct about Strelka having many parts of code identical to Rybka?

Vas can either lie or not in this case. What do you believe?

I believe a stupid alien, that we would explain him the situation, would laugh with our dissension since its so obvious what is happening.
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GenoM wrote:
Rolf wrote:If Osipov had created his own engine what Zakharov wants to insinuate (after all the information we have now!) then why should he have contacted Vas at all?
'Cause it's Rybka GUI, smartguy. Very-very hard to guess it for an law-expert as you.
I hate to break it to you, but there is no specific Rybka PPC GUI. At least not in the sense that it is a new GUI. The GUI in question is the PPC GUI already being sold, except that it would be modified to accept Rybka as an engine. Vas was contacted because of the legal status of Strelka.

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Edward German wrote:If you not know it, here you can read any answers by Convekta (by Victor Zakharov to Michael Diosi (Webmaster of Arena Forum).

Text (here in ARENA-Forum) is original and english only:

http://f22.parsimony.net/forum41668/messages/46023.htm

What is Your opinion about this Answers?
It seems a very reasonable position to me. I see nothing to argue with about it.
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Albert Silver wrote:
GenoM wrote:
Rolf wrote:If Osipov had created his own engine what Zakharov wants to insinuate (after all the information we have now!) then why should he have contacted Vas at all?
'Cause it's Rybka GUI, smartguy. Very-very hard to guess it for an law-expert as you.
I hate to break it to you, but there is no specific Rybka PPC GUI. At least not in the sense that it is a new GUI. The GUI in question is the PPC GUI already being sold, except that it would be modified to accept Rybka as an engine. Vas was contacted because of the legal status of Strelka.

Albert
For a long time Convekta developed Rybka GUI for mobile platforms (PocketPC and Nokia Smartphones). As Rybka engine was not ready yet and Convekta needed to have some income from this development we agreed with Vasik Rajlich to sell GUI with another engine for a while.

Victor Zakharov
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Edward German wrote:
Tony Thomas wrote:He didnt provide new insight in to any of the questions. He kept repeating that only Vas can initiate any legal proceedings.
In any Fora I have read that the name Yuri Osipov is only a pseudonyme name. In the Answer stand now that Yuri (Ivanovich) Osipov is (german: ..."vermutlich") his real name. Further stand that one of the persons there would released a engine by Convekta, was this Yuri Osipov. Convekta contacted then Vasik Rajlich, and Rajlichs answer was a no.

This thing is identical with them was Yuri Osipov wrote in the russian Forum by KasparovChess.
I am not sure if you misunderstood the message. He didnt mention his middle name earlier, what's the big deal? It should be noted that Osipov was one of the guys that Convekta contacted, along with other engine programmers and not vice versa.
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pedrox wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
GenoM wrote:
Rolf wrote:If Osipov had created his own engine what Zakharov wants to insinuate (after all the information we have now!) then why should he have contacted Vas at all?
'Cause it's Rybka GUI, smartguy. Very-very hard to guess it for an law-expert as you.
I hate to break it to you, but there is no specific Rybka PPC GUI. At least not in the sense that it is a new GUI. The GUI in question is the PPC GUI already being sold, except that it would be modified to accept Rybka as an engine. Vas was contacted because of the legal status of Strelka.

Albert
For a long time Convekta developed Rybka GUI for mobile platforms (PocketPC and Nokia Smartphones). As Rybka engine was not ready yet and Convekta needed to have some income from this development we agreed with Vasik Rajlich to sell GUI with another engine for a while.

Victor Zakharov
Yes, but the betrayal then was that ANOTHER engine was the decompiled Rybka Beta... That's the point Zakharov is silently or loud speakingly suppressing.
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pedrox wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
GenoM wrote:
Rolf wrote:If Osipov had created his own engine what Zakharov wants to insinuate (after all the information we have now!) then why should he have contacted Vas at all?
'Cause it's Rybka GUI, smartguy. Very-very hard to guess it for an law-expert as you.
I hate to break it to you, but there is no specific Rybka PPC GUI. At least not in the sense that it is a new GUI. The GUI in question is the PPC GUI already being sold, except that it would be modified to accept Rybka as an engine. Vas was contacted because of the legal status of Strelka.

Albert
For a long time Convekta developed Rybka GUI for mobile platforms (PocketPC and Nokia Smartphones). As Rybka engine was not ready yet and Convekta needed to have some income from this development we agreed with Vasik Rajlich to sell GUI with another engine for a while.

Victor Zakharov
I have the GUI. This is it. It has been sold with this admittedly weak engine for quite some time now.

Albert