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F. Bluemers
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by F. Bluemers » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:07 pm
yes,both find Bh7
Code: Select all
Engine: HIARCS 11.1 UCI (128 MB)
by Mark John Uniacke
2r1r1k1/pbq2ppp/1p2pn2/2b1N3/2P5/2B5/PPB1QPPP/3RR1K1 w - -
HIARCS 11.1 UCI
9/22 0:01 +0.37 1.Qd2 Rcd8 2.Qg5 Rxd1 3.Rxd1 h6 4.Qh4 Bd6 5.f4 Ne4 6.Bxe4 (282.100) 257
10/27 0:02 +0.17 1.Qd2 Red8 2.Qg5 Rxd1 3.Rxd1 h6 4.Qf4 Bd6 5.Re1 Bxe5 (635.007) 270
10/27 0:02 +0.18 1.Qd3 (742.274) 268
10/27 0:02 +0.18 1.Qd3 Red8 2.Qh3 Rxd1 3.Rxd1 Be4 (752.909) 269
10/27 0:03 +0.19 1.b4 (855.378) 261
10/27 0:03 +0.28 1.b4 Bd6 2.Rd4 Red8 3.Rh4 h5 4.a3 Qe7 5.Rd1 Qc7 (943.549) 262
10/27 0:04 +0.28 1.Ng4 (1.092.083) 259
10/27 0:04 +0.62++ 1.Ng4 (1.202.319) 258
10/27 0:04 +0.64 1.Ng4 Nxg4 2.Qxg4 f5 3.Qg5 Ba6 4.Ba4 Re7 5.Be5 (1.242.477) 259
10/27 0:05 +0.65 1.Bxh7+ (1.341.486) 258
10/30 0:09 +1.61 1.Bxh7+ Kf8 2.Bd3 Kg8 3.Qd2 Qe7 4.b4 Bd6 5.f3 Red8 6.a3 (2.529.209) 261
11/31 0:12 +1.61 1.Bxh7+ Kf8 2.Bd3 Kg8 3.Qd2 Qe7 4.h4 Nh5 5.b4 Bd6 6.Qg5 Qxg5 7.hxg5 (3.297.163) 269
12/35 0:28 +1.78 1.Bxh7+ Kf8 2.Qd3 Red8 3.Qh3 Rxd1 4.Rxd1 Rd8 5.Rxd8+ Qxd8 6.Bc2 Ke7 7.Qg3 Kf8 (7.783.019) 273
13/35 0:46 +1.87 1.Bxh7+ Kf8 2.Qd3 Rcd8 3.Qh3 Rxd1 4.Rxd1 Ke7 5.Re1 Kd8 6.Bc2 Kc8 7.b4 Bd6 8.Qg3 (12.844.896) 275
14/39 1:33 +1.78 1.Bxh7+ Kf8 2.Qd3 Rcd8 3.Qh3 Rxd1 4.Rxd1 Rd8 5.Rxd8+ Qxd8 6.Bd3 Ke7 7.Qg3 Qf8 8.Nf3 Kd7 (25.818.340) 277
best move: Bc2xh7 time: 1:36.438 min n/s: 276.912 nodes: 26.661.645
Engine: Chess Tiger 2007.1 (128 MB)
by Copyright (C) 1994-2007 by Christophe T
2r1r1k1/pbq2ppp/1p2pn2/2b1N3/2P5/2B5/PPB1QPPP/3RR1K1 w - -
Chess Tiger 2007.1
10.01 0:00 +0.24 1.b3 Bd6 2.Bb2 Bb4 3.Rf1 Red8 4.Rxd8+ Rxd8 5.Rd1 (502.694) 930
11.01 0:00 +0.12 1.b3 Red8 2.Bb2 Bb4 3.Rxd8+ Rxd8 4.Rd1 Rxd1+ 5.Qxd1 Ne4 6.Qe2 Nc3 7.Qh5 (878.222) 924
11.10 0:01 +0.40 1.Ng4 Nxg4 2.Qxg4 g6 3.Qh4 Be7 4.Qd4 f6 5.Rxe6 Qxc4 6.Qd7 (1.720.213) 905
12.01 0:02 +0.46 1.Ng4 Nxg4 2.Qxg4 g6 3.Qh4 Be7 4.Qd4 f6 5.Rxe6 Qxc4 6.Qxc4 Rxc4 7.Rd7 (1.977.348) 898
13.01 0:02 +0.46 1.Ng4 Nxg4 2.Qxg4 g6 3.Qh4 Be7 4.Qd4 f6 5.Rxe6 Qxc4 6.Qxc4 Rxc4 7.Rd7 (2.384.756) 893
14.01 0:03 +0.40 1.Ng4 Nxg4 2.Qxg4 g6 3.Qh4 e5 4.Qg4 Bd6 5.Bf5 Rcd8 6.b3 f6 7.Be6+ Kf8 8.Bb2 (3.459.147) 896
15.01 0:08 +0.34 1.Ng4 Nxg4 2.Qxg4 g6 3.Qh4 e5 4.b3 Re6 5.Qg3 Rce8 6.Be4 Bxe4 7.Rxe4 f6 8.Bb2 Rd6 9.Rxd6 (7.473.487) 905
15.04 0:11 +1.30 1.Bxh7+ Kxh7 2.Rd7 Qb8 3.Qd3+ Kg8 4.Rxf7 (10.840.034) 936
15.01 0:37 +1.48 1.Bxh7+ Kf8 2.Bb1 Red8 3.b3 Bd6 4.Bb2 Bb4 5.Rxd8+ Rxd8 6.Rd1 Rxd1+ 7.Qxd1 Bd6 8.Qd4 Bxe5 9.Qxe5 Qxe5 10.Bxe5 (37.222.470) 981
16.01 0:47 +1.48 1.Bxh7+ Kf8 2.Bb1 Red8 3.b3 Bd6 4.Bb2 Bc5 5.Bc2 Kg8 6.Rd3 Rxd3 7.Bxd3 Bd6 8.Qc2 Nd7 9.Nxd7 Qxd7 (46.791.945) 982
16.05 0:47 +1.48 1.Bxh7+ Kf8 2.Bb1 Red8 3.b3 Bd6 4.Bb2 Bc5 5.Bc2 Kg8 6.Rd3 Rxd3 7.Bxd3 Bd6 8.Qc2 Nd7 9.Nxd7 Qxd7 (46.938.673) 983
best move: Bc2xh7 time: 0:48.641 min n/s: 983.009 nodes: 46.938.673
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Fonzy
Uri Blass
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by Uri Blass » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:09 pm
The score of Bxh7 is even higher at depth 14 and maybe Bc2 is not the best idea for white after 1...Kf8
1.Bxh7+ Kf8 2.Rd3 Rcd8 3.Rh3 Bd4 4.Bxd4 Rxd4 5.Qe3 Qc5 6.Bc2 Ke7 7.Rg3 Be4 8.Bxe4 Nxe4
+- (1.68) Depth: 14 00:09:14 121875kN
(Uri, MyTown 17.02.2008)
F. Bluemers
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by F. Bluemers » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:42 pm
Position 21:
4k3/pp2pp2/4n1p1/3RP1P1/2r1N3/P1P5/1P2q3/1K5Q w - - bm Nc5; id "21.5.IQ.1081";
Yes,Qh8 is better (draw),with Nc5 white gets into trouble
Code: Select all
4k3/pp2pp2/4n1p1/3RP1P1/2r1N3/P1P5/1P2q3/1K5Q w - -
HIARCS 11.1 UCI
10/31 0:00 +0.22 1.Nc5 Qh5 2.Qxh5 gxh5 3.g6 Rg4 4.gxf7+ Kxf7 5.Nxb7 h4 6.Rd3 Re4 7.Rf3+ Kg6 8.Rh3 (334.840) 375
11/34 0:01 +0.22 1.Nc5 Qh5 2.Qxh5 gxh5 3.g6 Rg4 4.gxf7+ Kxf7 5.Nxb7 h4 6.Rd3 Re4 7.Rf3+ Kg6 8.Rh3 (726.390) 365
12/35 0:04 -0.02-- 1.Nc5 (1.596.944) 377
12/35 0:04 -0.02 1.Nc5 Qh5 2.Qxh5 gxh5 3.g6 h4 4.Nxe6 fxe6 5.Rb5 h3 6.Rxb7 Kf8 7.Rd7 (1.687.818) 378
12/36 0:07 -0.01 1.Qh8+ (2.652.275) 374
12/40 0:12 0.00 1.Qh8+ Nf8 2.Nc5 Rg4 3.Rd8+ Kxd8 4.Qxf8+ Kc7 5.Qxe7+ Kc6 6.Qd6+ Kb5 7.a4+ Rxa4 8.Nxa4 Qe4+ 9.Kc1 Qe1+ 10.Kc2 Qe4+ 11.Kc1 (4.708.165) 374
13/43 0:35 0.00 1.Qh8+ Nf8 2.Nf6+ exf6 3.Rd8+ Kxd8 4.Qxf8+ Kc7 5.Qd6+ Kc8 6.Qf8+ Kd7 7.Qd6+ Kc8 (13.734.649) 382 TB:1
14/45 0:51 0.00 1.Qh8+ Nf8 2.Nf6+ exf6 3.Rd8+ Kxd8 4.Qxf8+ Kc7 5.Qd6+ Kc8 6.Qf8+ Kd7 7.Qd6+ Kc8 (19.204.709) 376 TB:2
best move: Qh1-h8 time: 0:56.110 min n/s: 373.821 nodes: 20.917.514 TB: 2
4k3/pp2pp2/4n1p1/3RP1P1/2r1N3/P1P5/1P2q3/1K5Q w - -
HIARCS 11.1 UCI
14/32 0:00 0.00 1.Qh8+ Nf8 2.Nf6+ exf6 3.Rd8+ Kxd8 4.Qxf8+ Kc7 5.Qd6+ Kc8 6.Qf8+ Kd7 7.Qd6+ Kc8 (235.523) 376
best move: Qh1-h8 time: 0:03.609 min n/s: 356.147 nodes: 1.285.692
### 1. Ne4-c5 ###
4k3/pp2pp2/4n1p1/2NRP1P1/2r5/P1P5/1P2q3/1K5Q b - -
HIARCS 11.1 UCI
12/34 0:01 +0.14 1...Qh5 2.Qxh5 gxh5 3.g6 h4 4.gxf7+ Kxf7 5.Nxb7 h3 6.Rd2 Ng5 7.Rh2 Ke6 8.Na5 Rc5 9.Nb3 Rxe5 (545.779) 405
13/35 0:03 +0.32 1...Qh5 2.Qxh5 gxh5 3.g6 h4 4.Kc2 Kf8 (1.372.701) 410
14/35 0:07 +0.15 1...Qh5 2.Qxh5 gxh5 3.g6 h4 4.gxf7+ Kxf7 5.Nxb7 h3 6.Rd1 Ke8 7.Rh1 Nf4 8.Kc2 Re4 9.b4 Re2+ 10.Kb3 Rxe5 (3.004.408) 419
15/39 0:14 +0.32 1...Qh5 2.Qxh5 gxh5 3.g6 h4 4.gxf7+ Kxf7 5.Nxb7 Nf4 6.Rd8 h3 7.Rh8 Ke6 8.Na5 Rc5 9.Rh6+ Kf5 10.Nb3 Rxe5 11.Nd4+ Kg5 (6.278.162) 422 TB:3
16/41 0:26 +0.32 1...Qh5 2.Qxh5 gxh5 3.g6 h4 4.gxf7+ Kxf7 5.Nxb7 Nf4 6.Rd8 h3 7.Rh8 Ke6 8.Na5 Rc5 9.Nb3 Rc7 10.Nd4+ Kxe5 11.Kc2 e6 (11.216.532) 418 TB:16
17/46 0:58 +0.28 1...Qh5 2.Qxh5 gxh5 3.g6 h4 4.gxf7+ Kxf7 5.Nxb7 h3 6.Rd1 Ng5 7.Rg1 h2 8.Rh1 Nf3 (24.312.013) 415 TB:55
18/46 2:04 +0.53++ 1...Qh5 (51.378.542) 413 TB:284
18/46 2:26 +0.64 1...Qh5 2.Qxh5 gxh5 3.g6 b6 4.Nxe6 fxe6 5.Rd3 Rg4 6.Rh3 h4 7.b3 Kf8 (61.237.240) 416 TB:284
19/48 4:07 +0.66 1...Qh5 2.Qxh5 gxh5 3.g6 b6 4.Nxe6 fxe6 5.Rd2 Rg4 6.Kc2 Rxg6 7.Kd3 h4 8.Rh2 Rg4 9.Ke3 Kf7 (100.572.800) 405 TB:366
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Fonzy
pedrox
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Location: Basque Country (Spain)
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by pedrox » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:30 pm
After analyzing the 188 positions of test IQ6 positions, 186 appear to be correct, thanks to Fonzy and Uri by analyzes of positions 152, 157 and 182.
The 21 position, as I said, and confirms Fonzy, instead of Nc5 the best move is Qh8+.
More complicated seems to be the solution to the position 86, Rxd7 seems that leads to draw and moves as Re1, a3 and h5 seem better and perhaps more.
Best,
Pedro
F. Bluemers
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by F. Bluemers » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:51 pm
More complicated seems to be the solution to the position 86, Rxd7 seems that leads to draw and moves as Re1, a3 and h5 seem better and perhaps more.
I agree with you (unless i overlook something
)
Rd7 forces a draw,
other moves (temporarily as a6 will drop off) sac the e5 pawn.
a3 and Qg5 both look ok,Be2 looks like a tempo loss.
Best
Fonzy
F. Bluemers
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by F. Bluemers » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:22 pm
Code: Select all
1. Rxd7 Bxd7 2. Bd3 $5 Rb4 (2... Qb4 3. Qh6 g6 4. h5 Qf8)
3. Qg5 g6 4. Qf6 Rxb2 5. Bxg6 fxg6 6. Rxg6+ hxg6
7. Qxg6+ $11 *
It can get a bit messy with Bd3,but black still seems ok after Rb4!?
Fonzy
PauloSoare
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by PauloSoare » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:00 am
Nf6+ it´s a draw too, Pedro.
I think that Nd2 have a good chance to be a draw.
Paulo Soares
PauloSoare
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by PauloSoare » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:06 am
Maybe Re1 it´s the best move. Whites defend the pawn in "e" and have the pieces prepared for an attack in the king side.
Paulo Soares
pedrox
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by pedrox » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:11 pm
Hi Paulo
You are right, in position 21, Nf6+ is draw also like Qh8+. And as you say Nd2 evaluation is close to 0.
In position 86, Re1 seems to be the best.
I sent an e-mail to the creator of IQ6 with these 2 positions, I am not sure if he read the e-mail.