8th Amateur Championship Division 4

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Re: 8th Amateur Championship Division 4

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gladius wrote:
swami wrote:I just don't understand the whole deal with Garbochess, in one tournament it plays like a 2700 and in other tournaments it plays like a 2300. What's up with it?

maybe a good blitzer but not so consistent at long time controls?
Well, it takes a real hit from using 32 bit, which a lot of tournaments seem to do. Second, it's buggy :). Not buggy in that it will make incorrect moves or anything, but the evaluation features did not do exactly what they were supposed to do, and there were search bugs as well. Since 2.20 I have fixed at least 15 eval. bugs, and a few search problems as well.

Finally, I only test at 1'1, so it's highly optimized for shorter time controls. Still, I'm not sure why the search strength shouldn't scale decently. That may be another bug lurking :).
Thanks for your explanation, Gary. Looks like this is the case, it has some kind of search that allows itself to search super fast in the first ten seconds and slowly drag down and take time and still stick with the same move it seearched and found in the first ten seconds at long time controls.

I have seen similar cases with other engines, but gap in strength is very rare. means Garbo has an ability to play high level chess in short time controls. With few more fixes, it could play even better at longer TC.

Majority of engines play fairly consistent in both short and longer time controls,Some play better at longer TC, while others play better at blitz . But with the gap of only less than 100 elo.

Garbo is the only engine I have encountered that plays much better at blitz given its strength at longer TC, with bigger gap. Indicates there might be a bug in search.
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Standings after Round 20 of 30

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8TH CCRL AMATEUR CHAMPIONSHIP (Division 4)

Athlon XP1900+
Fritz 10 GUI
128mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
Balanced-12.ctg book
40 moves in 68 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL 40/40)
2 cycles (30 rounds)
Updated versions will not be introduced during the tournament.
The top three engines are likely to be promoted into Division 3 for the following season while the bottom three engines are likely to be relegated into Division 5.
Standings after Round 20

13.5 - GarboChess 2.20
13.5 - GreKo 5.7.1
12.5 - Sage 3.53

12.0 - LittleThought 1.03
11.5 - Delphil 1.8
10.5 - Horizon 4.4
10.0 - Asterisk 0.6
10.0 - Counter 0.8
10.0 - Aice 0.99.2
9.5 - Gosu 0.16
9.5 - Pupsi 0.19
9.0 - RomiChess P3k
8.5 - Flux 2.2
7.0 - Rotor 0.2
6.5 - Popochin 3.2
6.5 - NanoSzachy 3.2



This tournament can be followed more closely here with games available for downloading after each round:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... f=7&t=3391
gbanksnz at gmail.com
gladius
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Re: 8th Amateur Championship Division 4

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swami wrote:Thanks for your explanation, Gary. Looks like this is the case, it has some kind of search that allows itself to search super fast in the first ten seconds and slowly drag down and take time and still stick with the same move it seearched and found in the first ten seconds at long time controls.

I have seen similar cases with other engines, but gap in strength is very rare. means Garbo has an ability to play high level chess in short time controls. With few more fixes, it could play even better at longer TC.

Majority of engines play fairly consistent in both short and longer time controls,Some play better at longer TC, while others play better at blitz . But with the gap of only less than 100 elo.

Garbo is the only engine I have encountered that plays much better at blitz given its strength at longer TC, with bigger gap. Indicates there might be a bug in search.
Oh, there was definitely bugs in search :). I just don't have the time to test at long time controls, but I'm hoping the next version will play at equivalent strength to the short time controls, or at least close to as good.
Graham Banks wrote: 13.5 - GarboChess 2.20
13.5 - GreKo 5.7.1
12.5 - Sage 3.53
Thanks for the update Graham, nice to see a bit of a comeback, now to see if Garbo can hold on :).
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Re: 8th Amateur Championship Division 4

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gladius wrote:
Graham Banks wrote: 13.5 - GarboChess 2.20
13.5 - GreKo 5.7.1
12.5 - Sage 3.53
Thanks for the update Graham, nice to see a bit of a comeback, now to see if Garbo can hold on :).
I hope so! :P
Good luck!

Cheers, Graham.
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Standings after Round 25 of 30

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8TH CCRL AMATEUR CHAMPIONSHIP (Division 4)

Athlon XP1900+
Fritz 10 GUI
128mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
Balanced-12.ctg book
40 moves in 68 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL 40/40)
2 cycles (30 rounds)
Updated versions will not be introduced during the tournament.
The top three engines are likely to be promoted into Division 3 for the following season while the bottom three engines are likely to be relegated into Division 5.
Standings after Round 25

18.0 - GarboChess 2.20
15.0 - Sage 3.53
14.5 - Delphil 1.8

14.0 - LittleThought 1.03
14.0 - GreKo 5.7.1
13.5 - Aice 0.99.2
13.5 - Pupsi 0.19
13.0 - Gosu 0.16
13.0 - Horizon 4.4
11.5 - RomiChess P3k
11.5 - Counter 0.8
10.5 - Asterisk 0.6
10.5 - Flux 2.2
9.5 - Rotor 0.2
9.0 - NanoSzachy 3.2
9.0 - Popochin 3.2



This tournament can be followed more closely here with games available for downloading after each round:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... f=7&t=3391
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Final Standings

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8TH CCRL AMATEUR CHAMPIONSHIP (Division 4)

Athlon XP1900+
Fritz 10 GUI
128mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
Balanced-12.ctg book
40 moves in 68 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL 40/40)
2 cycles (30 rounds)
The top three engines are likely to be promoted into Division 3 for the following season while the bottom three engines are likely to be relegated into Division 5.
Final Standings

23.0 - GarboChess 2.20
18.0 - Sage 3.53
17.5 - GreKo 5.7.1

17.5 - Pupsi 0.19
17.0 - Gosu 0.16
16.5 - Delphil 1.8
16.5 - Horizon 4.4
15.0 - LittleThought 1.03
14.5 - Aice 0.99.2
14.0 - RomiChess P3k
13.5 - Flux 2.2
12.5 - Counter 0.8
12.5 - Asterisk 0.6
12.0 - Rotor 0.2
10.5 - Popochin 3.2
9.5 - NanoSzachy 3.2



The complete tournament pgn (zipped) can be downloaded here:
http://www.kirill-kryukov.com/chess/dis ... p?id=11266
gbanksnz at gmail.com