Would the Triple-Brain Concept be a match for the new Rybka?

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Re: Would the Triple-Brain Concept be a match for the new Ry

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Uri Blass wrote:<snipped>
Eraserheads wrote:
Now the availability of 8core machines is even more within the reach of the average computer chess fan.
I think that the average computer chess fan has only one or 2 cores.
I also think that the triple brain is a failure without a smart program that
know which move to choose.

A smart program that knows which move to choose does not have to be a chess engine.

If people do not develop programs only for the task of choosing the engine then programmers do not take the idea seriously so the idea is going to fail.

If people develop programs only for the task of choosing the engine then the first thing is to find the best chooser program and it is possible to do it by games like shredder and Fritz and chooser X against shredder and Fritz and chooser Y.

Uri
What about the idea of letting Monte Carlo Analysis act as your chooser ? :roll:
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Re: Would the Triple-Brain Concept be a match for the new Ry

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Wonder if it would just be useful if the "judge" engine limited it's search to the current moves of both engines? This would allow it to look deeper, even with the loss of CPU resources with the sharing.

Sometimes I have used it with a tactical personality, a positional or brute force personality and the judge being the Shredder (default personality)
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Re: Would the Triple-Brain Concept be a match for the new Ry

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Kirk wrote:Wonder if it would just be useful if the "judge" engine limited it's search to the current moves of both engines? This would allow it to look deeper, even with the loss of CPU resources with the sharing.

Sometimes I have used it with a tactical personality, a positional or brute force personality and the judge being the Shredder (default personality)
Doesn't work that way. First move takes 1/2 the total search time. That's always been the problem when you have two different moves to choose between, where each move was searched by a different engine or strategy...
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Re: Would the Triple-Brain Concept be a match for the new Ry

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AdminX wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:<snipped>
Eraserheads wrote:
Now the availability of 8core machines is even more within the reach of the average computer chess fan.
I think that the average computer chess fan has only one or 2 cores.
I also think that the triple brain is a failure without a smart program that
know which move to choose.

A smart program that knows which move to choose does not have to be a chess engine.

If people do not develop programs only for the task of choosing the engine then programmers do not take the idea seriously so the idea is going to fail.

If people develop programs only for the task of choosing the engine then the first thing is to find the best chooser program and it is possible to do it by games like shredder and Fritz and chooser X against shredder and Fritz and chooser Y.

Uri
What about the idea of letting Monte Carlo Analysis act as your chooser ? :roll:
So you use a bunch of very shallow-depth games to choose which move is better? :) Bring it on... :)
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Re: Would the Triple-Brain Concept be a match for the new Ry

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I do see the possibility of a Double Brain, one for playing the White pieces with some aggressiveness, and the other for playing the Black pieces witha some defensiveness. But I do not see the effectiveness of alternating Brains from move to move.