With the ICGA you must pay to get the honor to be able to participate.
They also have to pay to enter. The admission fee is 10,000 yen.
What is ridiculous is they discontinued the exhibition games where the winner plays a human.
What would be the thinking to have a $100 (US) entry fee, and give a prize of a $500 (US) laptop?? What would be the point of having the entry fee in the first place?
I think 40 participants pay $100 subtract the $500 prize give $3,500 that will pay the cost to use the playing room.
Do you think that computer are as strong as the best human in Shogi
I know that Gekisashi beat Shimizugami in a 1 hour game. I guess that computer programs are now too strong for games shorter than 30-minutes . Programmers are not interested in games that are longer than 90 minutes. I would like to see more matches between strong human Shogi players vs the strongest Computer Shogi programs , then we would not have to speculate if the computer have reached professional level or NOT.
Sorry, but I don't think that Habu is the strongest Shogi player at the moment, but I could not find the current strongest Shogi player, is it Gekisashi ( Computer program )
PS: I guess that the best standard chess player can NOT adopt so easy to Shogi as Habu has to standard chess.
pichy wrote:Do you think that computer are as strong as the best human in Shogi
I know that Gekisashi beat Shimizugami in a 1 hour game. I guess that computer programs are now too strong for games shorter than 30-minutes . Programmers are not interested in games that are longer than 90 minutes. I would like to see more matches between strong human Shogi players vs the strongest Computer Shogi programs , then we would not have to speculate if the computer have reached professional level or NOT.
Sorry, but I don't think that Habu is the strongest Shogi player at the moment, but I could not find the current strongest Shogi player, is it Gekisashi ( Computer program )
PS: I guess that the best standard chess player can NOT adopt so easy to Shogi as Habu has to standard chess.
I don’t think the computer is as strong as the best human in Shogi. The 2008 computer champion Gekisashi played an amateur student champion a 1 hour game in March this year and lost.
I think you are right we need more games between strong players and computers to know how strong the computer is. In the last year there have been only 3 games. It is unfortunate the computer vs amateur exhibition games were not continued in 2009 at the world computer shogi championship. Those games showed a clear progress for the computer from 2003 to 2008.
I think especially now is good time to have more games. It seems the computers programs have just jumped in strength. The top 4 programs for last 8 years have been overthrown by 4 stronger programs. It would be interesting to have champion GPS shogi play some 2 hour games against a strong amateur. Then we could measure if GPS shogi has reached pro level.
I think Habu is the strongest Shogi player at the moment because he has more titles than anybody else.
The reason the best western chess player can not play Shogi as well as Habu can play western chess is because shogi is much harder game than western chess.
Mark
pichy wrote:Do you think that computer are as strong as the best human in Shogi
I know that Gekisashi beat Shimizugami in a 1 hour game. I guess that computer programs are now too strong for games shorter than 30-minutes . Programmers are not interested in games that are longer than 90 minutes. I would like to see more matches between strong human Shogi players vs the strongest Computer Shogi programs , then we would not have to speculate if the computer have reached professional level or NOT.
Sorry, but I don't think that Habu is the strongest Shogi player at the moment, but I could not find the current strongest Shogi player, is it Gekisashi ( Computer program )
PS: I guess that the best standard chess player can NOT adopt so easy to Shogi as Habu has to standard chess.
I don’t think the computer is as strong as the best human in Shogi. The 2008 computer champion Gekisashi played an amateur student champion a 1 hour game in March this year and lost.
I think you are right we need more games between strong players and computers to know how strong the computer is. In the last year there have been only 3 games. It is unfortunate the computer vs amateur exhibition games were not continued in 2009 at the world computer shogi championship. Those games showed a clear progress for the computer from 2003 to 2008.
I think especially now is good time to have more games. It seems the computers programs have just jumped in strength. The top 4 programs for last 8 years have been overthrown by 4 stronger programs. It would be interesting to have champion GPS shogi play some 2 hour games against a strong amateur. Then we could measure if GPS shogi has reached pro level.
Yes, it is very strange that in the past 8 years the top 4 programs are overthrown by 4 stronger programs. I noticed that the best of this year were not as strong as the best of the previous year and so on, this doesn't usually happen with Rybka, shredder, Naum and Deep Fritz in standard chess.
I think Habu is the strongest Shogi player at the moment because he has more titles than anybody else.
The reason the best western chess player can not play Shogi as well as Habu can play western chess is because shogi is much harder game than western chess.
Mark
pichy wrote:Do you think that computer are as strong as the best human in Shogi
I know that Gekisashi beat Shimizugami in a 1 hour game. I guess that computer programs are now too strong for games shorter than 30-minutes . Programmers are not interested in games that are longer than 90 minutes. I would like to see more matches between strong human Shogi players vs the strongest Computer Shogi programs , then we would not have to speculate if the computer have reached professional level or NOT.
Sorry, but I don't think that Habu is the strongest Shogi player at the moment, but I could not find the current strongest Shogi player, is it Gekisashi ( Computer program )
PS: I guess that the best standard chess player can NOT adopt so easy to Shogi as Habu has to standard chess.
I don’t think the computer is as strong as the best human in Shogi. The 2008 computer champion Gekisashi played an amateur student champion a 1 hour game in March this year and lost.
I think you are right we need more games between strong players and computers to know how strong the computer is. In the last year there have been only 3 games. It is unfortunate the computer vs amateur exhibition games were not continued in 2009 at the world computer shogi championship. Those games showed a clear progress for the computer from 2003 to 2008.
I think especially now is good time to have more games. It seems the computers programs have just jumped in strength. The top 4 programs for last 8 years have been overthrown by 4 stronger programs. It would be interesting to have champion GPS shogi play some 2 hour games against a strong amateur. Then we could measure if GPS shogi has reached pro level.
Yes, it is very strange that in the past 8 years the top 4 programs are overthrown by 4 stronger programs. I noticed that the best of this year were not as strong as the best of the previous year and so on, this doesn't usually happen with Rybka, shredder, Naum and Deep Fritz in standard chess.
And those two programs made such strong progress and surpassed the best previous year's programs which I have not seen such a turn around in standard chess.
pichy wrote:
Yes, it is very strange that in the past 8 years the top 4 programs are overthrown by 4 stronger programs. I noticed that the best of this year were not as strong as the best of the previous year and so on, this doesn't usually happen with Rybka, shredder, Naum and Deep Fritz in standard chess.
And those two programs made such strong progress and surpassed the best previous year's programs which I have not seen such a turn around in standard chess.
It is strange. It sounds like some programs made a lot a progress. We can speculate but that would not be useful. We need to wait and hear from the winners and losers what happened and what changes they made. I want to read Reijer Grimbergen’s report. Maybe he can explain what happened.
Mark
