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Re: how strong of and engine do I really need?

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shiv wrote:
Martin Brown wrote: Someone kindly posted a link to an incredibly large number of free? engines in a recent thread about knife edge positions when I asked how to obtain a legal copy of StockFish 1.51 which solved a very tricky puzzle way faster than anything else. I am a bit nervous of recommending that site as I don't know much about it.
I find it humorous that people are looking for a legal copy of glaurung when it is open source and by definition there cannot be an illegal copy of Glaurung :)

Anyway, Jim Abblett's site for windows users is a good place to start as noted. For linux users, compiling it from source is probably the easiest way to go. Wonder if there is a repository for linux engine binaries?

We owe the creators of Stockfish a great deal as they could have easily charged more than $100 or more for the engine.
Don't get so excited,Vasik will charge us 125$ for the deep versio of Rybka 4 which will probably be surpassed shortly after it's release by another commercial and/or a free one 8-)
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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote: ... Rybka 4 which will probably be surpassed shortly after it's release by another commercial and/or a free one 8-)
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No, an open source one by Yakov Yakovlevich Yakovenko and Roberto Pescatore.
Hopefully, Robert Pecheur will help them in French translation of comments.
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Hello,
I think anyone under 2200 would have trouble discerning where the analysis of a 3200 engine was better than that of a 3100 engine.
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Re: how strong of and engine do I really need?

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote: Don't get so excited,Vasik will charge us 125$ for the deep versio of Rybka 4 which will probably be surpassed shortly after it's release by another commercial and/or a free one 8-)
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If you want the strongest engine, then you still need to spend $125.

However, if you want a world class engine which is not too far behind the best engine, you can get it for $0. For all practical purposes, Stockfish is good enough for almost all players.
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shiv wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote: Don't get so excited,Vasik will charge us 125$ for the deep versio of Rybka 4 which will probably be surpassed shortly after it's release by another commercial and/or a free one 8-)
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If you want the strongest engine, then you still need to spend $125.

However, if you want a world class engine which is not too far behind the best engine, you can get it for $0. For all practical purposes, Stockfish is good enough for almost all players.
Fully agreed and yet again,it and it's co-authors were attacked by the Rybka sectarians here in this very forum....
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Doc

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't you say you are a friend of Vas?
With that kind of friend who needs enemies? All you have done is berate Vas with negative, anti Rybka statements what's you're beef?, Problem?
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Adam Hair wrote:
Martin Brown wrote: Someone kindly posted a link to an incredibly large number of free? engines in a recent thread about knife edge positions when I asked how to obtain a legal copy of StockFish 1.51 which solved a very tricky puzzle way faster than anything else. I am a bit nervous of recommending that site as I don't know much about it.
Martin, if you are refering to this link, http://homepages.tesco.net/henry.ablett/jims.html ,
then don't worry. Jim Ablett is a well respected member of the
computer chess community.

Here are some other legitimate, not to mention well respected, sites
to find chess engines are:

http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/lastupdates.htm Leo Dijksman
http://www.rwbc-chess.de/wb_chron.htm Guenther Simon
http://cap.connx.com/ Dann Corbit
http://computer-chess.org/doku.php?id=c ... ngine_list Ron Murawski
http://www.playwitharena.com/directory/engines.htm Michael Diosi
Thanks for this long list of interesting legitimate chess engine sites. I am always a wary of downloading unknown executables. There are too many dodgy websites and insecure OSs about these days. I am not keen to accidentally download a Trojan or any other malware. And you have to admit that StockFish looks too good to be true! I will go get it.

Thanks!!!!
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bigo wrote:Doc

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't you say you are a friend of Vas?
With that kind of friend who needs enemies? All you have done is berate Vas with negative, anti Rybka statements what's you're beef?, Problem?
Two problems:

1.Rybka 3+ was promised as a bug fix for Rybka 3 and was never released....

2.Two incidents with the appearance of strong chess engines pointed out as clones of Rybka with the only proof "Yes,Vasik comfirmed that it's a clone of Rybka"....

That's my beef and this is how I see things....

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
bigo wrote:Doc

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't you say you are a friend of Vas?
With that kind of friend who needs enemies? All you have done is berate Vas with negative, anti Rybka statements what's you're beef?, Problem?
Two problems:

1.Rybka 3+ was promised as a bug fix for Rybka 3 and was never released....

2.Two incidents with the appearance of strong chess engines pointed out as clones of Rybka with the only proof "Yes,Vasik comfirmed that it's a clone of Rybka"....

That's my beef and this is how I see things....

Dr.D
2 is not correct.

I did not see a proof that the new engine is based on rybka but I read that other people like GCP or sjeng also confirmed that the new engine is illegal.

The claim that the new engine is based on rybka is not based only on Vas.
It is not based on me(I do not know how to check it) but it is based on other people.

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Uri Blass wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
bigo wrote:Doc

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't you say you are a friend of Vas?
With that kind of friend who needs enemies? All you have done is berate Vas with negative, anti Rybka statements what's you're beef?, Problem?
Two problems:

1.Rybka 3+ was promised as a bug fix for Rybka 3 and was never released....

2.Two incidents with the appearance of strong chess engines pointed out as clones of Rybka with the only proof "Yes,Vasik comfirmed that it's a clone of Rybka"....

That's my beef and this is how I see things....

Dr.D
2 is not correct.

I did not see a proof that the new engine is based on rybka but I read that other people like GCP or sjeng also confirmed that the new engine is illegal.

The claim that the new engine is based on rybka is not based only on Vas.
It is not based on me(I do not know how to check it) but it is based on other people.

Uri
Yes Uri,I can crystal clear get what you've said,but the problem is that we only read that it's based on Rybka,stolen from Rybka,etc....

As I mentioned before,it suspecious to say the least,an engine coming out of the blue beating the SP Rybka by 50-60 and to be 100% original....but yet again,why Vasik Jump like a kangaro at once saying it's a clone of Rybka without scientificly approved approach :?:

I say that this mutant engine is a Naum reverse engineered with improvements and new ideas applied to it....go and prove it or reject it,can you :?:

Got the point now :!: :?:

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