ACCA stance on Ippo, Robbo and such

[Henrik Dinesen]

I don't think the Toga vs. Fruit issue is any different from the Stockfish vs. Glaurung issue. You cannot have both, so you should allow the strongest to participate.

Or the "original" !?

[mcostalba]

Good post Charles. I suppose it begs the question will Stockfish be allowed if Toga is not? I certainly agree that both Stocfish and Glaurung can not play.

Yes !

I also would agree that only Hiarcs can participate, so perhaps you have some little chance to win

Don't worry for you little Hiarcs, we never made tournaments and we are not interested in any of them (at least I am not).

[mariaclara]

just wondrin,

is the ACCA tournament that impt.

I don't think the Toga vs. Fruit issue is any different from the Stockfish vs. Glaurung issue. You cannot have both, so you should allow the strongest to participate.

[hgm]

I don't think the Toga vs. Fruit issue is any different from the Stockfish vs. Glaurung issue. You cannot have both, so you should allow the strongest to participate.

Or the "original" !?

That would make little sense, unless you would also stipulate that of any other engine only the very first version that was ever released is allowed to participate. And I don't think there would be much interest in such a tournament.

If an author or a team of authors develop their original further, it is much more natural to allow their most recent development (assuming it is the strongest).

[K I Hyams]

Hi Charles,

I was drafting something very close to what you stated here in regards to the CCT tournaments.

For the record, Ippolit, Robbolito, or for that matter Itsafreakingreversedengineeredchessprogramofsomesortolito, will not be allowed in the CCT Tournaments.

So for all those emailing if they can enter those programs in the CCT, or asking if they can operate them in the CCT, the answer is a simple no.

If it is a clone, then so be it. If it isn't, no one has claimed to be the original author. On those two points alone, it doesn't qualify to enter.

Nuff said

Peter Skinner
CCT Tournament Director

There is enough evidence to convince a number of CCC members that there is a real possibility that both Rybka and Robbolito are clones. The implications of Rybka being a clone are far more serious than those of Robbolito being a clone. Have you ruled out the possibility that Rybka does not qualify for your tournament because it is a clone?

[Harvey Williamson]

I don't think the Toga vs. Fruit issue is any different from the Stockfish vs. Glaurung issue. You cannot have both, so you should allow the strongest to participate.

Or the "original" !?

That would make little sense, unless you would also stipulate that of any other engine only the very first version that was ever released is allowed to participate. And I don't think there would be much interest in such a tournament.

If an author or a team of authors develop their original further, it is much more natural to allow their most recent development (assuming it is the strongest).

But what would happen if the strongest available Toga was entered that is clearly stronger than the last release of Fruit but then Fabien has a new Beta of Fruit that he wants to enter? I think the decision should be up to the original author or who ever he delegates the decision to in the case of Fruit that is Ryan.

[Uri Blass]

Hi Charles,

I was drafting something very close to what you stated here in regards to the CCT tournaments.

For the record, Ippolit, Robbolito, or for that matter Itsafreakingreversedengineeredchessprogramofsomesortolito, will not be allowed in the CCT Tournaments.

So for all those emailing if they can enter those programs in the CCT, or asking if they can operate them in the CCT, the answer is a simple no.

If it is a clone, then so be it. If it isn't, no one has claimed to be the original author. On those two points alone, it doesn't qualify to enter.

Nuff said

Peter Skinner
CCT Tournament Director

There is enough evidence to convince a number of CCC members that there is a real possibility that both Rybka and Robbolito are clones. The implications of Rybka being a clone are far more serious than those of Robbolito being a clone. Have you ruled out the possibility that Rybka does not qualify for your tournament because it is a clone?

I think that the word clone is clearly not correct for rybka even based on the people who believe that rybka broke the GPL.

A program that most of its code is an original code cannot be described as a clone and people agree that the move generator is not taken from fruit and that most of the code of the evaluation is not copied directly from fruit because fruit does not use bitboards in the evaluation.

Uri

[mcostalba]

just wondrin,

is the ACCA tournament that impt.

I don't think the Toga vs. Fruit issue is any different from the Stockfish vs. Glaurung issue. You cannot have both, so you should allow the strongest to participate.

Participating in tournaments is an important marketing activity for commercial engines.

Luckily we don't have this burden nor we want to damage other people's business.

[mariaclara]

do you really believe ACCA will disqualify a commercial engine from competing?

It seems some people here are working for the benefit of commercial engines . If true, he should be compensated by the commercial engines.

Hi Charles,

I was drafting something very close to what you stated here in regards to the CCT tournaments.

For the record, Ippolit, Robbolito, or for that matter Itsafreakingreversedengineeredchessprogramofsomesortolito, will not be allowed in the CCT Tournaments.

So for all those emailing if they can enter those programs in the CCT, or asking if they can operate them in the CCT, the answer is a simple no.

If it is a clone, then so be it. If it isn't, no one has claimed to be the original author. On those two points alone, it doesn't qualify to enter.

Nuff said

Peter Skinner
CCT Tournament Director

There is enough evidence to convince a number of CCC members that there is a real possibility that both Rybka and Robbolito are clones. The implications of Rybka being a clone are far more serious than those of Robbolito being a clone. Have you ruled out the possibility that Rybka does not qualify for your tournament because it is a clone?

[Henrik Dinesen]

I don't think the Toga vs. Fruit issue is any different from the Stockfish vs. Glaurung issue. You cannot have both, so you should allow the strongest to participate.

Or the "original" !?

That would make little sense, unless you would also stipulate that of any other engine only the very first version that was ever released is allowed to participate. And I don't think there would be much interest in such a tournament.

If an author or a team of authors develop their original further, it is much more natural to allow their most recent development (assuming it is the strongest).

Well, with "original" I think of the name - while Stockfish is the continued Glaurung for instanse, it's still under a new name. Versionnumbers is a different matter. I don't see that this makes less sense than "strongest".