Critter 0.90 1cpu tests

[Andres Valverde]

wow, how come this huge strength improvements?

critter grows up in the last years rapidly, then i wondor how he doing this, i think it is impossible to doing such improvements in a short time, may he working very hard on critter or he is cheating and cloning from other sources.

OR he can MAGIC !?

i am doing this hobby, but have only reached about 2700 elo , in this way i am now a little demotivated from computerchess

Critter 0.42 sources are available. I, as a pascal amateur programmer, was quite impressed with the quality of the code when I read it. Also, it was the last open source version as well as the last written in Pascal (I believe the author switched to C++ since then).

Also , Critter 0.42 was already 2812 CCRL, what is a lot. The evolution of the program can be followed here :

http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/c ... +opponents

For me Critter is a "role model" .

[rvida]

Critter 0.42 sources are available. I, as a pascal amateur programmer, was quite impressed with the quality of the code when I read it. Also, it was the last open source version as well as the last written in Pascal (I believe the author switched to C++ since then).

Guess what? I still do maintain a Pascal version. Its output is exactly same (node for node) as the C++ version, it is just much much slower (cca 50% nps). Maybe I will consider making it public again.

Richard

[Andres Valverde]

Critter 0.42 sources are available. I, as a pascal amateur programmer, was quite impressed with the quality of the code when I read it. Also, it was the last open source version as well as the last written in Pascal (I believe the author switched to C++ since then).

Guess what? I still do maintain a Pascal version. Its output is exactly same (node for node) as the C++ version, it is just much much slower (cca 50% nps). Maybe I will consider making it public again.

Richard

Richard, I am just supporting Critter and you !. I meant that sources are available until 2812 ELO (what is much) and the program developing was transparent and clear imho. Maybe you misunderstood my bad english ...

btw : "role model" is the name of a film that is translated to spanish as "something that is worth to follow"

[michiguel]

wow, how come this huge strength improvements?

critter grows up in the last years rapidly, then i wondor how he doing this, i think it is impossible to doing such improvements in a short time, may he working very hard on critter or he is cheating and cloning from other sources.

OR he can MAGIC !?

i am doing this hobby, but have only reached about 2700 elo , in this way i am now a little demotivated from computerchess

IMHO, (underline in mine), this is the type of out-of-thin-air accusation that does not belong to this forum. I thought this message should have been removed, but the moderators did not agree or did not catch my message. Since it is still here, I just want to express my disgust. It is particularly hurtful in the current atmosphere.

Miguel

[Houdini]

Guess what? I still do maintain a Pascal version. Its output is exactly same (node for node) as the C++ version, it is just much much slower (cca 50% nps). Maybe I will consider making it public again.

Richard

50% slower if you compile with 32-bit Delphi, or with the 64-bit FPC?

As a lifelong Delphi fan, if Delphi 64-bit had been out last year I probably would have made Houdini with Delphi (and maybe some parts in assembler)...

[Steve B]

wow, how come this huge strength improvements?

critter grows up in the last years rapidly, then i wondor how he doing this, i think it is impossible to doing such improvements in a short time, may he working very hard on critter or he is cheating and cloning from other sources.

OR he can MAGIC !?

i am doing this hobby, but have only reached about 2700 elo , in this way i am now a little demotivated from computerchess

IMHO, (underline in mine), this is the type of out-of-thin-air accusation that does not belong to this forum. I thought this message should have been removed, but the moderators did not agree or did not catch my message. Since it is still here, I just want to express my disgust. It is particularly hurtful in the current atmosphere.

Miguel

IMHO it is in bad form for you to complain that the moderators have not acted on your complaint
i am waiting to hear back from the other mods regarding this

personally i do not see this as a post that should be moderated
i see this more as the member is asking somewhat out of amazement rather then making a serious accusation
as far as i can see you are the only one continuing to making this an issue because when i first logged on and saw your complaint and the thread ..the comment was already replied to by Dann and basically seemed to be dropped at that point
perhaps if a flame war had erupted by the time i first logged on i would have voted to remove the post and its replies

are you campaigning already Miguel?
thats OK because i think you would make a very fine moderator although if we were moderating on the same team we would disagree here for certain
Regards
Steve

[michiguel]

wow, how come this huge strength improvements?

critter grows up in the last years rapidly, then i wondor how he doing this, i think it is impossible to doing such improvements in a short time, may he working very hard on critter or he is cheating and cloning from other sources.

OR he can MAGIC !?

i am doing this hobby, but have only reached about 2700 elo , in this way i am now a little demotivated from computerchess

IMHO, (underline in mine), this is the type of out-of-thin-air accusation that does not belong to this forum. I thought this message should have been removed, but the moderators did not agree or did not catch my message. Since it is still here, I just want to express my disgust. It is particularly hurtful in the current atmosphere.

Miguel

IMHO it is in bad form for you to complain that the moderators have not acted on your complaint
i am waiting to hear back from the other mods regarding this

personally i do not see this as a post that should be moderated
the member is not making an accusation but rather asking a question somewhat in amazement

Why do you say I am complaining about the moderators? I am just stating the fact that it was not moderated. Since it was not, I abide by the decision, but then it is a fair game to comment the original post.

To be clear:
I wanted to express that this type of message does not belong to this forum. I think you would agree that I have the right to say that. However, if I just state that opinion, the obvious question will be "why didn't you report it?". I just said that upfront.

as far as i can see you are the one making this an issue as the comment was replied to by Dann and basically dropped at that point

I am not making it an issue. It is already! It is not important for me how long or short this discussion is. It is important that 1) either an author is not smeared or the accuser is properly rebutted and 2) I participated in this thread, so I cannot let it pass. In the current atmosphere, asking "I wonder if x is cheating" is an explosive statement. Most likely Engin did not mean it that way, but then it cannot be left unchallenged.

perhaps your are campaigning already Miguel?

I would have said so if I were.

thats OK because i think you would make a very fine moderator although if we were moderating on the same team we would disagree here for certain

Of course, we would disagree, but It would not be a big deal, at least from my part.

Miguel

EDIT: In my message I said "I want to express my disgust". That is, my disgust on Engin's statement not on the moderator decision. Was that confusing?

Regards
Steve

[Steve B]

no not confusing
i understood your disgust to be directed at the post and not at moderation
I just think its in bad form for you to mention that you reported a post and it was not acted upon ..or disagreed with by the moderators
personally i would send in the complaint(as you did) and leave it at that

however that's just my opinion which i am entitled to just as i grant you are entitled to think the post is one that ought to be removed even though it seems the issue did not erupt into anything larger

for all i know the other mods will agree with your view here and out vote me
we do not always agree on each issue and a 2/3 majority rule has been employed this term (and in my previous terms as mod as well )

Best Regards
Steve

[michiguel]

no not confusing
i understood your disgust to be directed at the post and not at moderation
I just think its in bad form for you to mention that you reported a post and it was not acted upon ..or disagreed with by the moderators
personally i would send in the complaint(as you did) and leave it at that

I see your point. However, this forum has been discussing/complaining/criticizing/screaming/bitching about moderation policies for ever. In this environment I did not think that just mentioning that I reported it was a big deal. In fact, I see one member that every time he reports a post, he announce it. If the secrecy of the procedure is important for a better moderation, I will abide by it, but I did not get the impression this has been a common policy. I do agree, though, that moderation decisions are final and should NOT be discussed. We should accept them and move on. If has not been my intention to bring a discussion on how to moderate.

however that's just my opinion which i am entitled to just as i grant you are entitled to think the post is one that ought to be removed even though it seems the issue did not erupt into anything larger

for all i know the other mods will agree with your view here and out vote me
we do not always agree on each issue and a 2/3 majority rule has been employed this term (and in my previous terms as mod as well )

Best Regards
Steve

That is ok, Steve. For the record, as I have said many times, I appreciate what you and other moderators do.

Miguel

[Steve B]

That is ok, Steve. For the record, as I have said many times, I appreciate what you and other moderators do.

Miguel

Thanks Miguel
and for the record i will mention again that IMHO i think you would make a fine moderator
hopefully you will seriously consider running in the upcoming election
Steve