SWCR-64: Rybka 4 Exp. 61 x64 scheduled for Dec. 27th, 2010

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Re: big, bigger, biggest, so far "big", after 302

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Rank Name                          Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Houdini 1.5 x64              3004   22   21  1013   82%  2745   26% NEW +  55
   2 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 61          2993   40   38   302   81%  2745   25% NEW +  54 to Rybka 4 default, still running ***
   - Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 42          2960   23   22   900   78%  2730   26% NEW +  21 to Rybka 4 default
   - Houdini 1.03a x64            2949   22   21   920   79%  2719   29% 
   - Rybka 4 x64                  2939   17   17  1520   80%  2700   29% 
   3 IvanHoe B49jA x64            2932   19   19  1132   76%  2734   33% NEW +   9
11 ELO to Houdini 1.5 x64 is the real difference at the moment!
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Re: Houdini 1.05 x64 / Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 61 ... to different!

Post by Frank Quisinsky »

Hi there,

after my message in the thread to the Houdini 1.5 x64 test I made some statistics to the claim differents visistors oft my rating list wrote me.

I made some analyzes from the Houdini 1.5 x64 - Rybka 4 Exp. 61 games I have so far.

This two engines are playing completly different chess.

1. Houdini switched more knights / bishops in the middlegame or try to switch as the aggressive Rybka Exp. 61 setting.

2. Rybka is playing much more aggressive with pawns. Also good to see in the main line ... speaking from the middlegame ... pawn moves contrary to the own castling.

3. Houdini forced more open lines for rocks and give for it (sacrificed, hope the right word) more often a pawn as Rybka.

4. Houdini hold the queen longer in the game. I would like to say that Houdini is playing rattiest with rocks / queen. Rybka are more rattiest with bishops and knights.

5. Houdini have a more active playing style after the book moves. But here all Rybka versions are more or less passiv if I compare it with other strong engines.

All this I saw if I load Houdini 1.5 x64 and Rybka 4 Exp. 61 as analyze engine under ChessBase GUI. Very different, each of the main lines are to different.

I think it's pure random that Houdini 1.03a to Houdini 1.5 is 55 ELO stronger and Rybka 4 default to Rybka 4 Exp. 62 is perhaps 40-55 ELO stronger too.

Each one can make such statistics in own work. After the Rybka 4 Exp. 61 round robin I will load the games with Shredder GUI comments on my webpage too.

Have a nice day!

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Frank
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Re: Houdini 1.05 x64 / Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 61 ... to different!

Post by Denzwell »

Hi Franck,

Can you confirm that this R4 Exp. 61 is not stronger than the default setting ?

Thanks
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Re: Houdini 1.05 x64 / Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 61 ... to different!

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Hi Max,

after the test of Exp. 42 now the test of Exp. 61.
Have a look in actual SWCR ratings (link, Ratings, actual situation or in the still running test of Exp. 61 on my webpage, links in front of the start page).

That's what I have!

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Frank
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Re: After 400 of 1.000 ...

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To the figth around place 1 in computer chess ...

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Rank Name                          Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Houdini 1.5 x64              3004   22   21  1017   82%  2746   26% NEW +  55
   2 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 61          2981   34   33   402   80%  2745   26% NEW +  41 to Rybka 4 default
   - Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 42          2960   23   22   900   78%  2730   26% NEW +  20 to Rybka 4 default
   - Houdini 1.03a x64            2949   22   21   920   79%  2719   29% 
   - Rybka 4 x64                  2940   17   17  1520   80%  2700   29% 
   3 IvanHoe B49jA x64            2932   19   19  1137   76%  2735   33% NEW +  09
Exp. 61 lost around 10 points in the latest 100 games. But after the results in the matches itself it can be possible that the rating will goes up after 500 games.

Later ...

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Frank
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Re: After 400 of 1.000 ...

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For now the surprise is stockfish wins against Rybka 4
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Re: After 400 of 1.000 ...

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Hi Max,

yes, completly other results Houdini 1.5 has. Completly other playing style as Houdini 1.5. And very interesting results this Rybka Exp. 61 setting produced.

Have a look in the results vs. Spark too!

The very strong tactical engines Spark and Stockfish have great results. But this one is clear because this aggressive Rybka setting have tactical holes.

But its clear too that the Exp. settings produced a lot of more points vs. weaker engines. And this is the reason that the Exp. Settings are so strong if you test it vs. many other engines.

Very, very interesting.

A good correspondence chess analyse combination on Quad Core with 1 core per engine could be ...

1. Houdini 1.5
2. Rybka 4 Exp. 61
3. Stockfish 1.91
4. Spark 1.0

Best
Frank

At the moment I try this combination if I replay GM games. Very, very interesting what I got for analyzes.
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Re: After 400 of 1.000 ...

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This Night i will try Rybka 4 Exp. 61 against H1.5 , IvanHoe B49jx64 and stockfish 1.9.1.

But i think H1.5 will win ....
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Re: After 400 of 1.000 ...

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Denzwell wrote:But i think H1.5 will win ....
Much more, I think you will explode that settings lunacy!... :D
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Re: After 400 of 1.000 ...

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Denzwell wrote:This Night i will try Rybka 4 Exp. 61 against H1.5 , IvanHoe B49jx64 and stockfish 1.9.1.

But i think H1.5 will win ....
What TC and books will you use Max.

Be looking forward for the results.

Best,
Gerold.