Redqueen v0.9.5 release

[Milos]

Yes, I see that now. RedQueen is becoming one of the better programs, congratulations!

Of course it is especially since Ippolit become public. On the source level RedQueen 0.9.5 is probably more similar to Ippo than Houdini 1.5a... I was just wondering when Larry would claim RedQueen's PSTs as his own...

If you wish to see really successful example of well understanding of Ippo ideas and nice and simple original implementation you can take a look at Gull 1.1 which is already stronger than your Komodo. Maybe you can even ask Vadim to explain you a couple of things which in the end might help you finally improve Komodo.

[bhlangonijr]

Yes, I see that now. RedQueen is becoming one of the better programs, congratulations!

Of course it is especially since Ippolit become public. On the source level RedQueen 0.9.5 is probably more similar to Ippo than Houdini 1.5a... I was just wondering when Larry would claim RedQueen's PSTs as his own...

Hello Milos.

Besides PST values, which admittedly are very close to Ippo* values (and very close to other open source engines - implementation on the source level is totally different though), can you please enumerate now, which part of RQ is similar to Ippolit?

Would you care to provide the filename/line on the code base of RQ and the equivalent on Ippo?

I am curious to know that.

PS: If you are stating such thing, you must be able to provide the data ASAP.

[Milos]

Besides PST values, which admittedly are very close to Ippo* values (and very close to other open source engines), can you please enumerate now, which part of RQ is similar to Ippolit?

Sorry but PSTs are not similar but identical (with offset of 2 which could really not fool anyone) to Ippo.
Ippo PSTs are only similar to Rybka 3, but far from being the same.
Ippo is public domain but copying something so boldly IMO deserves at least mentioning. However, we don't have all the same moral standards...
Reductions are pretty much a copy from SF, it's not a log nature that only SF uses but the actual values...
Search itself is very much Ippo like, extensions are almost the same...

P.S. Ppl can read code, please don't assume they are idiots...

[bhlangonijr]

Besides PST values, which admittedly are very close to Ippo* values (and very close to other open source engines), can you please enumerate now, which part of RQ is similar to Ippolit?

Sorry but PSTs are not similar but identical (with offset of 2 which could really not fool anyone) to Ippo.
Ippo PSTs are only similar to Rybka 3, but far from being the same.
Ippo is public domain but copying something so boldly IMO deserves at least mentioning. However, we don't have all the same moral standards...
Reductions are pretty much a copy from SF, it's not a log nature that only SF uses but the actual values...
Search itself is very much Ippo like, extensions are almost the same...

There IS NOT a single copied line in RQ.

SF uses fractional extensions, RQ not. The multi reduction in LMR is well know and if you look at some other chess engines you gonna find the same (protector, for instance).

You didn't provide the data. Without that, I am not inclined to argue with a troll that doesn't produce anything useful and just keep bugging people in this forum.

[Graham Banks]

Yes, I see that now. RedQueen is becoming one of the better programs, congratulations!

Of course it is especially since Ippolit become public. On the source level RedQueen 0.9.5 is probably more similar to Ippo than Houdini 1.5a... I was just wondering when Larry would claim RedQueen's PSTs as his own...

If you wish to see really successful example of well understanding of Ippo ideas and nice and simple original implementation you can take a look at Gull 1.1 which is already stronger than your Komodo. Maybe you can even ask Vadim to explain you a couple of things which in the end might help you finally improve Komodo.

Komodo is still slightly stronger than Gull. Gull 1.1 seems to be weaker than the previous version was.

[Pablo Vazquez]

You're advancing at a fast pace. Congratulations for your improvement

I predicted this.

I met Ben Hur in Leiden and after talking to him and getting to know him a bit I felt that he was likely to represent the next wave of top programmers.

Of course with the clones and cheaters new talent suffers - they won't get the recognition they deserve - so I'm happy to see that Ben Hur has been able to keep his interest level high and that his improvements have not gone unnoticed.

It's my feeling that we will lose a lot of talent and diversity due to the cloners.

I can understand how you feel, being at the top, when someone comes with a stronger ultra-tuned clone and claims full credit for the engine. People will turn attention to this new engine without caring how it was made, because it is human nature to want the best.

But fortunately there are also people that test any engine, no matter its strength, and original authors get a lot of motivation seeing how their engines climb in rating lists.

[Pablo Vazquez]

Yes, I see that now. RedQueen is becoming one of the better programs, congratulations!

Of course it is especially since Ippolit become public. On the source level RedQueen 0.9.5 is probably more similar to Ippo than Houdini 1.5a... I was just wondering when Larry would claim RedQueen's PSTs as his own...

If you wish to see really successful example of well understanding of Ippo ideas and nice and simple original implementation you can take a look at Gull 1.1 which is already stronger than your Komodo. Maybe you can even ask Vadim to explain you a couple of things which in the end might help you finally improve Komodo.

RedQueen is an original engine written from scratch and you can see Ben Hur's progress from 2000 to where he his now. On the other hand, Houdini is just Robbolito with a lot of speed optimizations, weight tuning and evaluation display obfuscation (and the continuous denial by its "author" isn't going to change this fact). So I'm not sure how RedQueen is more similar to Ippolit than Houdini?