Cluster Rybka vs. Houdini 3 - Game 5 ...

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Re: Cluster Rybka vs. Houdini 3 - Game 5 ...

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Dragan wrote:I also noticed this difference in depth. It indicates that clusters computing power (slow CPUs + overhead) is much lower then the power of Clemens's 16CPU machine. Of course assuming that depth shown by the cluster is comparable to R4.1 which is more then fair assumption.
They should really pull the plug on the cluster or update its software and hardware. The way it is now, it looks pretty close to being a scam.

I think calling it a scam is harsh as the cluster is really designed more for deep analysis for professionals or using its analysis capability to search several lines deep very quickly. It really is not setup to play engine vs. engine matches especially with only 64 cores. Remember that it is using several motherboards that are communicating via network, this creates huge latencies. I actually beleive that a 64 cluster would play weaker than a 16 core single motherboard with shared memory Rybka 4.1. At the moment the cluster plays like a MPV Rybka 4.1 with 3 lines full depth. What is certain is that the core Rybka code (or chess playing code) is in serious need of upgrading, as evaluation wise and search wise ... it is one or two generations behind.
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Re: Cluster Rybka vs. Houdini 3 - Game 5 ...

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IWB wrote:... will be played on Monday 17.12.2012 at 19.00 CET on Playchess.

New short unusual opening.

CU
Ingo

PS: If we have enough Ducats left game 6 will be on Tuesday, same time.
I will provide a screenleap transmission of this game.
Link will be posted here as soon as possible.

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Re: Cluster Rybka vs. Houdini 3 - Game 5 ...

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Great! But if game 6 is uncertain You should draw lots for colour this time.
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here is the link for livegame transmission:

http://www.screenleap.com/769992016

it is paused till the game starts (30 + mins)

Clemens


Hugo wrote:
IWB wrote:... will be played on Monday 17.12.2012 at 19.00 CET on Playchess.

New short unusual opening.

CU
Ingo

PS: If we have enough Ducats left game 6 will be on Tuesday, same time.
I will provide a screenleap transmission of this game.
Link will be posted here as soon as possible.

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Re: Cluster Rybka vs. Houdini 3 - Game 5 ...

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Clemens, thank you for the transmission!

A Caro-Kann advance variation, interesting.
After 13.Na3 both engines think they have a slight advantage:

[d]2rqkb1r/1p1n1ppb/p3p2p/P1ppPn2/Q2P4/N1P2N2/1P1BBPPP/R4RK1 b k - 0 13
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Re: Cluster Rybka vs. Houdini 3 - Game 5 ...

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The Caro Kann advance is a system that has the reputation of being very drawish for engines.

We will see. At last they didn't immediately exchange light bishops as it usually happens, so maybe there will be movement.
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Re: Cluster Rybka vs. Houdini 3 - Game 5 ...

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Yes, a closed position...
With 19...Bxa3 black gets rid of his bad bishop. Both engines agree that Black is now slightly better.

[d] 1nr2rk1/1p1q1ppb/p3p2p/PP1pPn2/Q1pP4/b1P2N2/R2B1PPP/3BR1K1 w - -
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Re: Cluster Rybka vs. Houdini 3 - Game 5 ...

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Sincerely I cannot understand the move 19 Ra2; it is like Rybka didn't see the very simple Bxa3.

So strange.
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Yes, in two moves Rybka's evaluation has dropped by half a pawn.
Strange indeed.
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And after 22.Rxb5 Black now has 22...Nxe5.
At the end of the variation Black has an extra pawn but with bishops of opposite color - probably a draw.

[d]2r2rk1/1p1q1ppb/2n1p2p/PR1pPn2/2pP4/Q1P2N2/3B1PPP/3BR1K1 b - - 0 22